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Stanley Type 14 No. 5-1/2 Plane and Frog with "467" Casting Mark
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Recently came across a No. 5-1/2 Stanley bench plane which has all the characteristics of a Type 14 with the exception of the frog which shows both 5-1/2 and 467 castings on the bottom. The frog is non-ogee type and has machined tabs at the base which align perfectly with the machined bearing surfaces on the plane's base. From what I can determine based upon my research, the "467" casting mark is indicative of Type 18 planes. I've posted some pics showing details of Frog/Body interface and casting marks. Has anyone ever come across the anomaly before?
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This old cast Stanley level was found at a yard sale recently and I'm hoping to find out more about it. The marking on the left might indicate fabrication or patent date, but the mark on the left has me baffled. Hoping for some help here. Stanley was of no help, although I did find this catalogue on line from 1914.
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The level collection I purchased has several levels from different time periods. One of the ways to tell when you are looking at old Wooden Level or for that matter any old Stanley tool, it is good to check the Trademark. Bob Kaune has a web page I keep bookmarked on my iPhone, iPad and Computer that is very handy to tell right off the time frame a wooden level or plane. Here is a link to his page Stanley Trademarks. So I thought I would share a few of the ones I got with common Trademarks. These all have what is known as the "V" Trademark It has been documented that this trademark was in use on Stanley tools from 1912 to 1918, That puts these right in the area of being or about to be 100 years old. For a wooden level to survive the 100 years and still have the original vials intact says something about them. There were four in the group that I got with the "V" Trademark. The two larger levels have brass caps on the ends and for the most part are in very good condition. The second one from the back is missing a brass cover over the vial port. Another thing to notice is the No 3 and the No 03. If the level had a single number then it is an adjustable level so that is something should happen, you can adjust the vials to put them back to level. If the level has a "0" in front of the number, then the level is non adjustable. I am very fortunate that all of the vials on these are original and in working order. This group is all made of Cherry. So there you have the "V" Trademark levels from Stanley made between 1912 and 1918, More Levels from Patriot Picking to follow...
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At the Flea Market this morning I also found this two awesome Stanley Boxwood Folding Rulers. Stanley made several type of Boxwood Rulers, imagine that, much like the planes they made. They made them with several different features so like everything you have to look at all of it. Both of these are Square Joint Rulers. Here is a listing of just some of the Stanley Boxwood Rulers. So I was able to find two, one is a Stanley No. 61 and the other is a Stanley No. 62. The first one is a No. 61 that is a Square Joint with 8th and 16th graduations. This ruler is from between 1907 and 1909. The second is a No. 62 this is also a Square Joint but with 8ths, 10ths, 12ths and 16ths. It is a Sweet Hart Logo. The thing about the SW logo is it went through several modifications. The one on this ruler is from 1922 to 1935. Notice the difference in the top of the heart. In the later version it stopped at the edge of the box around Stanley. In the earlier version the top of the heart went into the box. This is the latest of the SW logos. This has a little wider heart also. And this was the earliest of the SW logos. The heart is narrow and goes will into the box with the Stanley more rounded around the heart. These rulers fold open at the hinge. Then they open at the joint to make a 24" ruler. The older one has a joint that is out of line, but it appears to be solid. The newer ruler is nice and straight and in good condition. I think Lew was right, I am going to need a bigger display case. Happy Patriot Picking.
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Simmons & Company Auctioneers, Inc. WWW.SIMMONSAUCTION.COM Simmons & Company Auctioneers, Inc. is excited to announce that the THCKK (The Hardware Companies Kollectors Kulb) annual auction is coming up on March 14th and 15th, 2025! This highly anticipated event will showcase over 1300 lots of rare and collectible items from some of the most prestigious names in the antique tool world, including: Keen Kutter Simmons Hardware Shapleigh Hardware Diamond Edge Stanley OVB VanCamp Winchester Whether you're an avid collector or just beginning to explore the world of antique tools, there will be something for everyone’s collecting style and interest at this incredible auction! Location: Ray County Memorial Veterans Building * 312 Clark Street, Richmond, MO 64085 Auction Details: Dates: March 14th and 15th, 2025 (9am both days) Catalog: Download the full color catalog now from www.simmonsauction.com or contact us to have one mailed to you. LIVE Internet Bidding: Bid live through Proxibid – convenient links will be provided on the catalog page! Don’t miss out on this fantastic opportunity to add unique pieces to your collection. The THCKK Annual Auction offers an exciting selection of tools and hardware from the most sought-after brands, and we can't wait to share it with you. Happy bidding, and we look forward to seeing you there! Best regards, Dave Simmons - Owner/Auctioneer Office: 1-816-776-2936 eMail: SimmonsAuctioneering@gmail.com
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Now I am excited! Hey, simple mind, simple pleasure. I ordered the Stanley No. 49 Auger Bit Depth Stop, should be here by Saturday. It'll be a very handy addition for my holes! Ya I know I could make some, but I really like these mechanical do-dads and gizmos.
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I really like Joel's blogs. Another good one. The Stanley 444 Dovetail Plane TOOLSFORWORKINGWOOD.COM I have had a Stanley 444 since 1990. It is definitely one of the strangest planes...
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View File Stanley Catalogue No.34 Thanks to Lost Art Press for sharing this wonderful catalog scan. Free PDF: Stanley Catalogue No. 34 – Lost Art Press BLOG.LOSTARTPRESS.COM Now that we’ve sold through our copies, we’re offering a free pdf of our high-quality scan of the “Stanley Catalogue No. 34.” You can read it in this post... Submitter John Morris Submitted 02/05/2023 Category Book and Literature
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Thanks to Lost Art Press for sharing this wonderful catalog scan. Free PDF: Stanley Catalogue No. 34 – Lost Art Press BLOG.LOSTARTPRESS.COM Now that we’ve sold through our copies, we’re offering a free pdf of our high-quality scan of the “Stanley Catalogue No. 34.” You can read it in this post... -
Saw this elsewhere. Lost Art Press is offering a free .pdf download of the Stanley, No. 34 Catalogue, circa 1914....HERE
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I set it to an inch deep and drilled multiple holes in poplar, nice and clean, and the same depth, it just takes a little practice to see when it hits, because you really can't feel it hit.- 7 comments
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I ran into a friend of mine the other morning and he called me over to his vehicle. When I got there he said he had something to show me. Out came this really nice Stanley No. 84 Boxwood Ruler. The Stanley No. 84 is a 2 foot four fold ruler with drafting scales. It has brass square joint and is brass bound on the edge. And folded all the way out. This No. 84 was made between 1920 and 1922. Dating is by the Sweetheart Logo. The heart goes up into the notched ruler and the letters get smaller in the middle. This trademark was adopted in 1920 after the merger of The Stanley Works and the Rule and Level. The company held a contest to design a new trademark and guidelines were published defining the features the new mark should have. The contest was open to all Stanley employees. 320 contestants submitted 521 designs and the final two were nearly identical and were submitted by W.L.Hagen and E.C. Hartman. The two were declared co-winners and we have was became know as the famous Sweetheart trademark. Stanley Works adopted the Heart with SW inside in honor of William H. Hart, the chief executive officer for more than thirty years. It was only used two year and it went through another alteration which lasted until 1935 when the trademark was changed to the notched rule with the word STANLEY inside and that is the one still in use today. I was so thankful he called me over to see this super nice rule. After drooling over it for several minutes, he said he got it for me and that is was mine. WOW! Thank You Thank You was all I could say.
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The last on-line auction I "attended" was near the end of September, 2021. Several tool lots; won a few; several I didn't. Most of my purchases were more L&G related stuff so I won't bore you with that. However, one lot turned out to have some surprises. Actual auction site pictures. I bid on this lot thinking the tool box might be an old Craftsman or ??? hip roof tool box. Didn't look inside the toolbox really at the pick-up site. It was kinda frenzied there and I was under a time crunch to get back in time for grandson's football games plus my stuff was located all over and you had to pick and load everything yourself. I wasn't sure I could carry & load the tool box by myself after I grabbed it off he bench. Good thing I got there early and was parked pretty close. I figured with the tool box and the random stuff I'd bid up to $10. The tin on the right had a couple dozen or more random drill bits + driver bits, + a new 1/4" dr, T-15 or T-20 torx bit (don't remember now). There was another tin directly below that was full of miscellaneous screws etc. The bucket + Folgers containers were loaded with new, packaged, random hardware. The grandsons were happy with the (2) Official Little League baseballs. Right picture shows the toolbox. A really nice HD box that someone fabricated likely in a HS metal working class. Its HEAVY even w/o any tools but... A few tools were in the tray. I could see some of them in the auction picture. A couple of chalk lines. Left one is a newer Irwin model. Gave it to daughter's fiancee'. Right one is a Straight-line...needs some work. Some 1/4", 3/8" & 1/2 drive sockets and extensions. Once they hit the wire wheel, then buffing wheel, all but one went to daughter's fiancee'. So why was this box so heavy beside made from 1/16" steel?... ...cause all this was in the bottom. A few treasures as it turned out. Next picture does some 'splainin' Lucy... (#1) is a Stanley Handyman, 10" (IIRC) swing ratcheting brace. Still has the decals on it. Probably late '60's-early 70's? Needs some TLC, but it works. (keeper) (#2) Stanley, Sliding T-bevel. 1st look, identified it as a No.25; more to come later. (pry from my cold dead hands type of keeper) (#3) Stanley 481A-18 (oz) masonry hammer; needs a little work, oh & a handle but don't make them like this for a long time. (keeper) (#4) Wards-Master (Monkey Wards) 1/2" drive speed handle; probably from the 1960's?? I have one (same brand) that was my grand-dads from the late 40's-early 50's. Been my user & in my tool box since the late 1960's so daughter's fiancee' scored it too. So what else of interest is in there? Well..let's see. First lots of 1/4" & 3/8" shallow well sockets, mostly metric and mostly Taiwan. Cleaned 'em up passed them on to daughter's fiancee' (#1) A Snap-on, combination box-end wrench from late 40's to early 50's. It may have been plated or could have originally been black oxide coated. NO evidence of ANY plating remained. more pictures at the end. (#2) A Craftsman combination box-end wrench from the 40"s to early 50's by logo. (#3) A Craftsman combination open-end wrench from the late 30's to early 40's Probably was plated originally, but long gone; pics at the end (#4) 1 of a set of Proto combination open-end wrenches from 1/2' to 1-1/16"; missing the 3/8-7/16" wrench. Cleaned up very nice; gifted to daughter's fiancee' The remainder is still in the box waiting on spring for next step. except the (2) 1/2" drive, deep impact sockets on the left. Already in my "shop box" Snap-On wrench is 1-1/16" x 1-5/16". In a former life, these sizes were used quite often. I actually have a newer version of it. The Craftsman is 15/16" x 1". I've since completely removed all the rust from both, coated with wax then wrapped in wax paper until I decide their fate. Likely, I'll clean again, then cold blue them along with some others in the box. I've since found another Craftsman, same era (3/4"x13/16" IIRC) in the box. The Stanley masonry hammer. Re-furb started, but will have to wait until spring now to finish. You know my rule...? "...if your tongue sticks to the metal, too cold to be working in the shop" Last, remember that Stanley No. 25 sliding T bevel? Well, I finally dug a little deeper when I removed a little more rust from the blade... Made everything else a bonus IMHO. Typing this makes it a 6C, (AA) circa 1923-1935. It likely had a bright (not plated) finish but could have been blued too. I don't see any indication that bluing every existed (later version) but IDK for sure. I'll decide when warm weather returns to cold blue or not. For now, it' cleaned, waxed, wrapped in wax paper to keep my tongue from sticking. Maybe @steven newman will weigh in with his suggestions?? The rosewood body is excellent and the brass also very good. I'll do a final stand alone refurb update at that time. Oh, total for all these treasures including the baseballs $9.20 with buyers premium and I made it back in time for both football games. Thanks for riding along.
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Like the title says, has anyone restored a level? Looking at you, @steven newman and @Larry Buskirk... I needed a 4' level and got a group deal at auction yesterday. This 18" Sweetheart was one of them. If the logo goes along with the SW used on planes, this level would be dated around 1921-1922. It's rough, and likely not worth too much time to clean it up. But, has anyone restored one? Looking at the first pic, how does the vertical bubble get removed?
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From the album: Stanley #5-1/2 Refurbishment
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I was helping clean out my father-in-law garage(s). In the pile to take to the dump was this hand plane. I have tried to find out some info on it but very little. I know it is Stanley’s economy line. It is heavy, I know it is a ‘high angle’ style but that is about it. Thanks for looking..
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Rust Hunt on a Saturday....rain threatening ....Antique Mall 3 blocks from the house, and the Boss has sent me out to run a few errands...including buying a new roll of Blue "City" trash bags.....and..of course I hit that Mall...first. Backyard is shaping up... Metal framework is gone, most of the trash and old tarps or bagged up. That be the Neighborhood Yard Nazi's Garage, back there....her attempt to mow the yard got..rained out....too bad. I have to learn to NOT go up to the second floor of the Mall....but...I did spend about...$19 and change...on just 4 items....from a stall that has planes for OVER $65.. 3 out of 4...Square seems to be a Stanley? Compass turned out to be a Sept 24, 1889 Patent, from Starrett...Not sure about the calipers, yet.. As for the 4th? Rusty & Krusty, Stanley No. 116 Mitre Box.. THIS just MIGHT take a while There is supposed to be a scale on top, showing the degrees the box is set to... And a notched "pointer" in the inner ring...right.. Square did not require any work. Calipers are soaking in 3in1 oil...2 hands to make the arms even budge...no way to loosen nor lock it in place..The compass? and.. New Pencil. May see about a new pointer....funny looking bolt is not OEM...May try to make a new one? I did take the Mitre Box apart, last night....work in progress....all bolts and screws have been removed, and cleaned up. Just happen to have a backsaw to use with this Mitre Box.. As for those rusty things? Parts is parts...I did find a logo, though.. And, as for the bolts... A work in progress.... May start in again, this afternoon?
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In the process of building that box....had a bunch of resets on the Stanley #45 to do....mainly changing where the fence will be, and whether short or long rods were to be used....decided to make some things a bit..easier to do To change those rods...there are 4 thumbscrews to loosen, and tighten back up, with one too close the the handle area. They all needed a pair of needle nosed pliers to get them to ...move...look right under the wheel to adjust the depth of cut....so... I retired these two (FIRED!) and stashed them away...had a pair of slotted bolts to replace them....instead of pliers, I can just... Use something like this....like on the rest of the plane....which leaves these two... I don't have any to replace these two, they are a lot longer, and have pointed end. About all I could do was pull them both out, clean the crud in the threads, give the threads a drop (a SMALL one) of 3in1 oil, and run them back in....they work a little better,,,still need pliers, but these are easier to get to. Issue came up with the #12 cutter I had been using for 1/4" wide grooves....when I tried to level the grooves bottom with the router plane...the new Veritas 1/4" cutter would not fit in the 1/4" groove.. Measured the with of the Veritas...0.252"....the #12? 0.249" wide....could be a problem? Dug out the other 1/4" sized cutter I have for the #45 plane.. Only marking is a "T"...measured it....0.251" wide. needed a bit of sharpening, bevel was rounded a bit, back needed flattened....then, while the stones were handy, worked on the Veritas as well, had a chip-out in the edge. I also stoned both sides of the cutter to match the 0.251" reading I need.. "New" cutter in the #45 plane, and a fresh groove made....then tried the router plane for size... need a bit of wax, but it did slide right along...Router is set up like this, so it can travel along the jig. Went back to "normal setting" later.. When I had a bit more"elbow room".... Now I have to go shopping for fence bolts.....may just chase the threads and use NEW thumbscrews....IF I can point the edges to match Stanley's bolts.
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Anybody ever see this phenomenon? Same wood as other letters, same grain direction. Walnut for the back keep an eye on the l. What the heck happened? no. Same wood as other letters, same grain direction received_1829868993843337.mp4
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Well, the Christmas Gift Exchange list is out.....I have to find a present for my Grand daughter-in-law...... Bought about 25bft of Quarter Sawn Ash, today.... There are 11 boards in that stack..average width is just under 6"....all are around 3/4" thick. Hmmmmm, how about a Blanket/ Hope Chest build? Frame and panel? Or maybe a "6 board" style? been a while since I built a chest....maybe see what I can come up with? Give things about a week, or so...while the Single Brain Cell Sketch Up works things up into a "Plan" have to work around the snipes, though. grain looks decent enough....fellow did have a rack of these boards, so I might go back IF I need any more... Dovetailed corners? or, Tongue & Groove corners? Raised of flat panels....Bread board ends on a lid? Stay tuned..
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Guys, I need to improve the quality of blade for my Stanley #7, I've tried everything to fix the cap iron re-beveled it sharpened to not allow any light thru but the chips still get in between. Thinking of getting a set of Hock pieces was looking for input or/and a good place to buy. Best price quick shipping and so on. Thanks Pat
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From the depths of the "Dungeon Warehouse Basement" in Milwaukee Wisconsin, we have this "Poor Soul" of a Stanley Bailey No. 22 Smoothing Plane. This "Poor Soul" spent the last few years in the bottom drawer of a filing cabinet that was in the basement of a warehouse in Milwaukee that flooded 4 or 5 years ago. There were several planes in this drawer, and this one survived in the best condition. I did a little research, and found that Stanley made these planes from 1870-1943. I believe this one dates from the end years of production due to the Stanley Tools decal on the side of the wood sole. I couldn't quite make the decal out, but I believe this photo from ebay is what it's supposed to look like. As you can imagine having been submerged is going to make this one a bit of fun to bring back. I'm in the process now of trying to dry the Boxwood sole out without it totally splitting, etc. I found during my research, that this is not one of the popular "Collector" planes, but I'm going to give restoring it a go anyway. The price was right $0.00, so I won't lose anything trying. This will be my first attempt at restoring a hand plane, so I may as well start out with a good challenge. So any advice from the "Plane Experts" in going about saving this "Poor Soul" will be appreciated. Larry Old Woodworking Machinery Forum Host
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The Stanley No. 49 auger bit depth gauge, I can't even tell it's on the auger, it fits great and feels well balanced.-
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So over the course of the spring, summer & fall when I haven't been working on the lawn mowers, mowing/trimming the acreage, working on someone's vehicle or coordinating repairs while in a shop, transporting grandkids, attending grandkid's events, tending to other family matters and maybe the occasional nap, I'd squeeze in some small tool re-conditioning from my yard sale & flea finds...Thanks for looking... This came from a yard sale...got it tossed in with a 7-1/4" Skil saw & case...all for $5; Sorry no before pictures but the screw and rails had a fair amount of surface rust, but no pitting. The jaws had some rust on front and back faces and around the perimeter. I had cleaned once & waxed once, but with our humidity year-around, it rusted again, so, disassembled, de-rust, 4 coats gun blue on the rails, screw threads(probably black oxide originally?), black paint stick to touch up the jaws and three coats of Johnson's Paste Wax. The 6" adjustable square is my new one from H-F (I know, I know berate me if you must, but it's accurate and it works for me) Next up is an original Portalign...no before pics...the posts were pretty rusted as were the thumb screws. The aluminum was corroded too. Posts were cleaned on the grinder, brass wire wheel, progressively sandded with wet-cry and machine oil from 100g to 400g, then polished on the buffer; aluminum buffed with brass wire on a Dremel then polished on the buffer as were the thumb screws. Flea market find $1. Didn't need them, BUT....before pics... and after of the combo squares; sorry poor quality of picture...No I didn't transform the tri-square to an 8" combo square. Tri-square probably won't get much more. While digging through some of my "projects" I found the 8" blade, partially cleaned. I totally forgot I had ever bought it...it came with a bundle of machinist stuff I gave about $10 for. The head, I robbed from an old 6" aluminum blade combo sq hence the purchase of the new H-F 6". Blades are a little dull due to poor lighting and un-buffed coat of Johnson's. Top is a Stanley 46-222. Probably mid to late 80's; maybe a little newer? 8" marked Bates Mfg Co, Orange Mass; Bottom no name, only Made in USA Stanley 46-222 8" Bates Mfg. ??? Made in USA Again, not best pictures; with my phone, poor lighting etc. Craftsman 2" OD Outside Calipers; these were part of that machinist bundle circa 1940's??? just based on script. I had done a little cleaning on thee before the pics just to see the name. Legs, head and threads were pretty rusty but mostly surface rust. There is one small area of pitting on one leg face/ After Dremel work, polishing with with abrasive erasers, then polishing on buffing wheel. Picture is a bit dull, as I'm leaving a coat of Johnson's but did use 3-n-1 oil on threads & pivots. My storage method, includes wrapping in wax paper, sealing in sandwich or quart freezer bag including a desiccant bag. Grandkids earn rewards finding, saving desiccant bags. A 4"? divider, 2" ID calipers and 6" dividers. The first two belonged to my grand-father, then my dad. Forgot I had them. They were an old tool cabinet that belonged to both. I rarely get into or disturb anything inside that cabinet. The bottom set, I gave a quarter at lest years Covered Bridge Festival. One point had been broken and reground more or less. Same method on top & bottom two...Dremel, abrasive eraser's, then buff. I did attempt to re-blue the nut & threads. After the picture, I noticed some flash rust from the bluing, so rebuffed with the Dremel, another coat of wax, then 3-n-1 oil on threads & pivots, wax paper, sealed bag with desiccant. The middle dividers, I used the 6" brass wire wheel, abrasive erasers, the buffing wheel progressive to Red Rouge. I did re-blue the tension nut. Rewaxed and storage same as others. The plastic point protector sleeves are repurposed from Glow-in-the-Dark sticks of the grand-kids. Small inside calipers; Lufkin Rule Co Saginaw Mich. ~mid 40's? 6" dividers"; Sargent & Co New Haven,Conn ~50's?? 4" dividers; Goodell-Pratt Co Greenfield Mass...~mid 40's??? A pair of v-blocks but only one clamp; part of that machinist too bundle. No actual before pics but these were all rust. I couldn't get the clamp off one block until it had soaked 24 plus hours in Evap_O-Rust. doing that sometimes gives a "pickled" appearance on tool steel. You can't really feel it; I tried polishing & honing it away using progressive grits of wet or dry and oil, but it didn't help much for the time invested. The only marking is the name "Stan." stamped into the ends of the blocks. I don't think these are purchased, rather made in a tool room or perhaps part of an apprentice program. Very well done, but there are tool drags marks in the grooves, and file/grind marks in side the arch of the clamp. I've got a couple other pieces in process which also appear shop made. I noticed the flash rust after the pics, so "honed" again on my granite tile with wet or dry/oil, cleaned with Brake Cleaner, light coat of oil, wrapped in wax paper and sealed off in a bag...the block plane will be in it's own post eventually. Other similar projects are in the works. Thanks for looking.
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Found these at the Restore yesterday, Stamped 18 Eagle Square Mfg. South Shaftbury Vt. Body is 1.5" x 18" and the tongue is 1" x 12" $2.50 Just inch increments no framing scales, Clean & smooth, no pitting. A Stanley #61 Boxwood .5" x 24" rule Stanley rule & level co. Warranted New Britain Conn. USA Has two pins in place, one at the 7/17" mark & one at the 11.25" mark. $6.00 Clean but needs a little lube in the joints. Any info is appreciated.
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