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I’m sure this has been asked about a million times, but here goes. I’ve done soooo much to control dust collection in my shop, but I think I must be doing something wrong because I have dust, (not a little but a lot) My shop is 1/2 of a 2 car garage. I have a Laguna C Flux 1.5 HP dust collector. I have a 4 inch hose lying on the floor that goes to my table saw, miter saw and bandsaw. Everything else is being collected by a rigid shop vac. So my question is this, should I run pvc piping to these machines? Or is the hose laying on the floor good enough? I do have gates on the machines and wonder if I should leave them all open, or only open the one I’m going to use..?
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First, hope all of you had a great Thanksgiving. I have been looking for a used dust collector. Have hit several estate sales and garage sales that looked hopeful, so far found one, way to big for my small shop and turned out it was already sold. Our town has this Facebook sight that is for free, just come and get it, kicker being you cannot resale. So, Monday I am checking the sight out and low and behold, a free dust collector, looks like right size. Got to his house and its a general machinery (harbor freight) 2 hp collector, canvas filter but came with 55 gal drum. Got it home, cleaned up a little and it works......Fun comes in fitting into the shop. If I keep the a drum in the loop I will down size to 15 gal and add filter to exhaust. Just had to share.
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Laguna 1.5 HP Dust Cyclone (MCYC1.5MOBMC-110V-0145) Pleated Filter
Mark Wilson posted a topic in Machinery, Tools, Research, Reviews and Safety
Hi everyone I have a Laguna 1.5 HP Dust Cyclone (MCYC1.5MOBMC-110V-0145)dust collector. There’s no number on the filter and the manual doesn’t tell me anything about it either. Laguna doesn’t sell this model anymore. Just trying to find a replacement filter for it. The filter is 23” tall, 15” wide, , has 6” dust hose port on top , and bottom is open for clear collection bag . If anyone has an idea where to locate one I’d appreciate the help. Thanks- 6 replies
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Please keep @John Morris and his family in your prayers. John lost his Dad this week. Our Patriot Turners- @kreisdorph received a new toy this week- Please avoid drooling on the unpainted surfaces- we don't want no rust! Thanks everyone for the continued support of our 2 running post of "What' On/Off Your Lathe"- ON- @Gerald and @calabrese55 added their projects and some updates Catch up up here- And OFF- @User74, @RustyFN and @kreisdorph posted what they finished- More images and information about each of these projects are at- What’s Coming Up- Click on the following images for links to registration and more information- For The Newbies- Jim Rodgers demonstrates how to make a couple of helpful turning tools to add to your arsenal- Craft Supplies USA posted a nice video using some of their exotic species for making projects. Some good tips on working with exotics. Expand Your Horizons- Mike Peace demonstrates several embellishing tools- Alan Stratton turns some unique flowers for mothers day. Check out the materials he uses for the stigma and stamen! @Gerald's hollow form reminded me of this one turned by Carl Jacobson- New Turning Items- This item has been available from Woodturners Wonders for awhile. Mike shows how to set it up and runs it through its paces. Also from Woodturners Wonders, a sale on Yellowhammer HSS turning tools https://woodturnerswonders.com/collections/yellowhammer?_kx=gV5SF2As_3IwtBi5TrpHVQM0F3UvGVbQKzhWGippDlk.VJvU8R Everything Else- Trying to use up those little pieces of wind shake cherry by making tiny vases for Mimi. I tried pure beeswax on these an buffed them with an old T-shirt but they feel sticky. I think I will burnish them with shavings, again, and see what they look like. I have some Hampshire Sheen wax that might be better. My predicament now is how to reverse chuck them, to finish the bottoms. The entry holes are not identical in diameter. Thinking on making an expandable piece to fit into the holes The piece will need to be adjustable to take care of the minor variations in diameter. Safe turning
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I purchased a Harbor Freight dust collector and intend to upgrade the impeller. I am having a serious issue getting the stock impeller off. I have never done this before and do not want to mess up the impeller (incase I need it for later) or the shaft. I purchased a set of gear pullers and still cold not get it to come off. Any suggestions.
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Plastic Dust Collector Bags
Ron Dudelston posted a topic in Machinery, Tools, Research, Reviews and Safety
A moment of silence for my dearly departed Delta dust collector. Today, after months of emitting an ear piercing squeal for the motor the unit breathed its last. It gave me 15 years of service so no complaints. Today I ordered a new Shop Fox and like most newer collectors this one uses plastic bags to collect the shavings. Here’s my question for you experts. Are the bags a single use or can they be reused? My Delta had a cloth collection bag so I’m in new territory here. I’m hoping I can repurpose the cloth bag off my Delta on this unit. -
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Steve Krumanaker posted a topic in Machinery, Tools, Research, Reviews and Safety
Bust especially for my shop. I've been using an older 2 bag dust collector for several years. It did a decent job but had just a bag for the filter. The collection bag was a PITA to dump and clean and even worse to reattach. I finally pulled the trigger and upgraded to a Grizzly G0860. It gives me a 1 micron filter, a cyclone separator, and much easier dumping and management of both shavings and dust. First impressions are very positive, it has great suction, a built in remote, magnetic switch, and actually has a smaller footprint than my older unit. There is a HEPA filter option but I didn't get that. Assembly was straight forward and everything fit as it should. The machine runs very smoothly but I do believe some of the bolt lengths were called out wrong as I had too many of one size and not enough of another, even though there were plenty in general. My gates, fittings, and hose are from a company called powertec.
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Many vendors are advertising this free separator with the purchase of the dust collector- https://jettools.com/free-cyclonic-separator
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Now this may be getting the cart before the horse but lets call it collecting supplies you will need to connect your DC to machines. Thin wall PVC will work just fine . For the best you can order metal ducts any size you want but you will also have to buy expensive connections . A consideration many people talk about is grounding the dust collector and duct. To my knowledge and every forum I have been on and every article and book "there has never been a explosion in a home workshop due to dust collector" . Now , yes a dust collector will create static electricity which causes dust to adhere to outside of ducts. If you do want to ground you can use bare copper wire wrapped around the outside of the pipe and ground to machine and the DC. Using thin wall PVC is easier to work with and connectors are readily available. When you put all these together you can use PVC cement but I guarantee you will rearrange the system and your shop so go with something reversible such as caulk. You can also use screws to hold the connections together but use as short a screw as will do the job to limit disruption inside duct. You do not have to seal these joints inside as you can do that on the outside of the pipe . This is not to keep the pipe together but to seal leaks. Every little air leak reduces the air flow you will get from your system and that includes all connections. When using PVC try to keep the long runs as one solid piece of pipe, and after that the fewer joints the better. When I use 45 elbows to create a 90 I grind off that little shelf inside the fitting. Reason: you want the walls as smooth as possible because any bumps or restriction cause disruptions in airflow and reduce suction. This is why you want to reduce the use of flex hose to a minimum. Dust collectors work on a volume of air not the suction power. Dust is suspended in the air flow and disruptions can cause it to drop out and start a clog. Now as to the size of duct " the bigger the better" is not a rule but it is better close to the DC to have larger and go to smaller closer to the machine. My Dc only starts at 5 inch so the 6 I used is overkill but not a killer as it is only 8 foot. Dust collectors do not work well on shop vac hose but that can work for small areas such as drill press or small sanders. Planners, bandsaws, tablesaws, and other large machines are bet to use 4 inch or larger connections. Hanging the duct in the ceiling is simple and easy with several methods. Large plastic twist ties work well. Perforated metal strap will also do the job . I have made several of mine from galvanized wire. Or you can make nice hangers from wood. I started out with what I would call a traditional blast gate made of plastic with short tapers on each end to connect flex. Note that 4 inch PVC connectors do fit 4 inch flex but take a piece with you when you buy. You can buy wire clamps made to seal the flex to connectors or buy a kit at Harbor Freight to make your own hose clamps. Recently I found a new blast gate with a spiral on one end and a shape on the other end which will fit PVC. There are many many designs of blast gate out there from plastic to metal and even some that automatically open when you turn on the machine. When you install the blast gate you will want in convenient and as close to the machine as you can get it. When you do branches off the main gates are a good way to shift the air down different runs. I have one at the top of a run and when open air goes to CMS and wide belt sander (each also with a gate) on the other side the gates at the lathes need to be closed. More pictures next time and how to make your own gates ,
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I need some thoughts/advice. I have an older Delta 50-850 dust collector. Actually, I have two of them. One of them doesn't run. It starts and runs as long as I hold the start switch down, but as soon as I release it, the unit powers down. I can't exactly do any work and hold the switch down at the same time. If I am reading the code right on the date of manufacture, it looks like it was made in 1999. The code is 9921, and I know it wasn't manufactured last year. I'm guessing it is the run capacitor or the centrifigal switch that is bad. Maybe both, maybe neither. Full disclosure, I am not, by any means, an electric motor repairman. Here's my question: Do you think it is worth trying to repair this old of a unit, or should I put it on Craig's list for parts and buy a new one? I saw one on Grizzly's site for a good price, but I know nothing about their quality and/or customer service. I have bought a few odds and end from them, but no machinery. I did pull the switch cover off along with the round cap on the motor, and blow everything out that I could get to, and followed up with my shop vac. When I put it back together, everything worked. Happy dance. Put it back in the corner of the shop, hooked up the hoses, back to not running. Oh poo. The unit from Grizzly is 1.5 hp, 110v, for $495 plus $179 shipping. Also, any thoughts on the SuperMax units offered on the Laguna web site? I've had good luck with the Laguna band saw I acquired a couple of years ago, but again, I know nothing about their line of SuperMax units. I can afford to either fix or replace my Delta unit, but I don't want to repair it over and over again. Any thoughts will be much appreciated.
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Recently I've been helping my nephew make a bunch of cutting boards to help fund his first semester in college. Basically a lot of tablesaw, jointer, and surface planer work. During the midst of it all the dust collector just quit working all of a sudden. I did basic troubleshooting. The unit powers on but there is no suction. There are no clogs. It's not full. No obvious leaks or tears in the hoses. Could it be the impeller? Very similar to this model.... https://www.rockler.com/dust-right-reg-wall-mount-dust-collector-650-cfm .40
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Thought it might be best to start off with what my current setup is or at least parts of it. My Dust collector is a Grizzly 1029 2 hp operating on 220v. It had a 5 micron bag top and bottom when purchased and was upgraded to a canister filter from Penn State. My collector is located in the attic of my shop in a insulated enclosure and a 12x24 filtered return to the shop. Power is controlled with a Long RAnger remote. Ducting I used is 4 inch thinwall PVC. We will get into ducting and turning corners later. I have limited amounts of Flex hose in 4 and 6 inch. My bblast gates are a combination of homemade and manufactured plastic gates of two types. Since the Dc is located in the center of the shop ducting goes out in a spider like orientation. Ducting to machines is split in several places by use of wyes and boxes (made from Shop Notes plans). I have a cyclone based on some plan I found somewhere and a control box on it based on Shop Notes plans expanded. I recently added a Dust Deputy cyclone and may do away with the wooden cyclone. DC Room under construction on the left. Chip collection box and ducts to DC in attic on right. Another view of lower ducts and chip box. Above is Dust deputy with connections turned on the lathe to adapt openings to 6 inch flex hose. Ducts attached to ceiling spread to machines from this point. Of note here it is best to keep Duct runs as short as possible and as straight as you can get them. Any turn should be gradual and not an immediate 90 degree. This can be done with purchased wide and ducts or put two 45 angles together with a short 4-6 inch piece of duct between them. More on this in the next entry about choosing and installing ducts and blast gates .
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I have a Delta 1 1/2 HP dust collector in my shop that for the most part does a good job. I have 4" PVC pipe run to all of my machines and usually only have one gate open at a time. However there are times when I have help in the shop and we are using multiple machines and just don't get enough air flow to pull on the machines. My Delta table saw is the worse of the bunch. I have the overhead guard/dust collector and pulling off the bottom but it just doesn't get the enough pull. I am thinking of going to a 3 hp to get the higher CFM's and to allow multiple machines to run at the same time. I have been reading a few reviews but no real good comparisons. I really like the looks of the Laguna, but the few reviews I have read were not good, talking about leaks and missing parts and trouble getting replacement parts. Have any of you seen a recent comparison by any of the Wood Working Magazines lately? I would really be interested in what they have to say.
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My shop is a small,15x15 area. No windows. I did clean up, a lot, before the photos. Don’t know what else to say...it’s small.
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Sad Day, but Good Day To Sell My Saw and Dust Collector
Allen Worsham posted a topic in Machinery, Tools, Research, Reviews and Safety
Today is both a sad and glad day for me. As my wife and are working quickly for our move to Bowling Green, Kentucky from Corona, California, today I sold my Jet Contractor Saw with 52"extension with full extension drawers and my Delta 1.5hp Dust Collector. The photo below shows the empty space where the saw and dust collector lived. I bought my Jet saw about 1998 and it got a great amount of use over these 20 years. I bought my Delta dust collector about 2005 and used it for 13 years. As we are limited with U-Haul space I had to sell them as we can't take them with us. I posted it online with a price of $100 for the saw and $100 for the dust collector. Yes, those are very low prices, but I have very little time before we head to Kentucky. My wife posted them on the Facebook Marketplace for selling items. It only took 1 minute once I hit the "Send" button to get a response from a guy who was the first one to message me. He lived a few miles away and builds cabinets out of his garage. It took him all of 10 minutes for him to pull up in front of my house with a trailer. He was a really nice guy and I was happy that he was happy about getting a killer deal. But he was very skeptical wondering if there was a big catch to this deal. Once I told him our limited time frame and then fired up both the saw and the dust collector, he reached into his pocket and gave me two "Benjamin's". I am sure that he was looking in his mirrors to see if this was a set up and maybe the Cops would be after him. This was a big weight off of my mind as we still have a lot to do before leaving California. Our house is almost empty of furniture and the dog keeps walking around trying to figure out what is going on. He is very mopey and has to be near Tami and I as he is afraid that he may be gone too. So this is one less thing that I have to worry about as we get everything packed up.
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The more you cut, the more chips and dust you generate. When a router is used, there is often a fan in the router that blows down while it is cutting. That breeze will blow chips away from the cut with enough force to keep them from being sucked up by a brush perimeter shop vac collector in place. I honestly haven't found a way to get "perfect" collection of the debris generated while the CNC is cutting. If I know I'll have to suck/sweep some up after a cut, then it is less damage to my ears to NOT use a shop vac and simply let the chips fly. The "other" thing most jobs produce is very fine dust that wafts through the air and will end up on everything in the shop. To keep this out of my lungs I mount a filtered air cleaner right above the CNC beds in our furniture design shop. When the wood being cut is making more dust than chips I also wear a dust mask. 4D
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We had our monthly woodworkers meeting at WoodCraft last night and parked inside by the front door was their new Harvey Dust Collector. https://www.woodcraft.com/products/harvey-g700-gyroair-dust-processor Also they had a new Harvey Lathe. https://www.woodcraft.com/products/harvey-t40-turbo-bench-lathe Herb
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