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After spending the past two weeks hawking up lugies, I've come to the realization that I going to need something better to protect myself from sanding dust. I have one of these, I don't think the one way-valves are seating as tight as they should. What are all of you using?
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I’m sure this has been asked about a million times, but here goes. I’ve done soooo much to control dust collection in my shop, but I think I must be doing something wrong because I have dust, (not a little but a lot) My shop is 1/2 of a 2 car garage. I have a Laguna C Flux 1.5 HP dust collector. I have a 4 inch hose lying on the floor that goes to my table saw, miter saw and bandsaw. Everything else is being collected by a rigid shop vac. So my question is this, should I run pvc piping to these machines? Or is the hose laying on the floor good enough? I do have gates on the machines and wonder if I should leave them all open, or only open the one I’m going to use..?
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and I have a question. Today I was using a carbide tool to hollow out a practice bowl; this one is an old piece of really (really) dry walnut. The dust is causing me coughing problems so I'm wearing a dust mask under my glasses and shield. Anyway, here's my question: do the carbide tools create more dust than the edged tools? I cut on it for just a few minutes with a bowl gouge and it didn't seem to be as dusty. But this exercise is to try out the carbide so I'm sticking with it at the moment. Maybe one more question: could the dust be saing I need to rotate the cutter on the tool (it really hasn't been used all that much)?
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About midway thru December, need to start thinking about doing some Christmas shopping soon. Our Patriot Turners- @Masonsailor updated his post from last week to show us the finished Christmas bowl he turned. Talk about a beauty!! Paul added a little more about the experience in his post- https://thepatriotwoodworker.com/forums/topic/39795-a-bowl-for-christmas/?do=findComment&comment=325402 @Fred W. Hargis Jr asked us a question concerning carbide cutters and dust creation. Our turners had lots of advice. Please check out Fred's post and see if you can add your own experience- What’s Coming Up- A list of some of the 2024 woodturning events- https://www.woodturnerscatalog.com/l/Woodturning-Symposiums For The Newbies- It is always helpful to see how other turners approach a similar project. That is the premise of the "4 Ways" series at the beginning of each month. This month the project is to turn a serving tray. Expand Your Horizons- A hodgepodge of ideas from a few well known turners- New Turning Items- The Woodworker's Journal recently reviewed the new Jet 1221 VS lathe. Here's the article- https://www.woodworkersjournal.com/weekly/vip/turning-techniques-features-and-benefits-of-the-jet-1221vs-lathe/ This would make a nice stocking stuffer- Orders can be place here- https://store.popularwoodworking.com/products/woodturning-basics-with-jimmy-clewes-combo-pack?utm_campaign=PWW - NL - Sunday Newsletter&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=285905188&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8uGMQyOk6eL8OM6vb4iIlMHuyz4aaNDe4RqU3IspCLxylrDDkN6ElsI4ye1O2d9kMfSAXtgKU-uLXs_pPcNIOxAtLHFQ&utm_content=285905188&utm_source=hs_email Everything Else- From Ron Brown's newsletter- Think Ahead “If I had thought about it, I would have done this first, or at least before now.” Certain things make your life much easier if you do them at the proper time. Woodturners learn the importance of WHEN to do something, usually after they forget to do it and have moved on to the next step and can’t go back. Sometimes you see it coming after it is too late. I have a couple of examples to consider as you think ahead: Twice turned projects 1) You rough-turned a bowl from green wood and it has now dried. You are ready to finish turn it but it has gone dramatically oval, including the tenon and your scroll chuck won’t seat properly. You are finding it very difficult to center your work. You could have added a very simple 5-second step that would greatly simplify your life. You could have left a divot in the center of your tenon. 2) Bring the tailstock with a pointed live center into the divot and secure your bowl. 3) True up the warped oval tenon to round again and the scroll chuck will now hold the bowl properly for final turning. (This is a perfect time to use our natural edge jam chuck since the rim of the bowl will not be flat or level either and won't sit flat against cole jaws or a longworth chuck.) Rework a finished project: On the outside or bottom 1) There is no tenon and you are having difficulty centering your work. You didn’t want to leave the divot as it would have been unsightly. a. Alternatively, a single nearly invisible small circle or series of 3 small rings on the foot will make finding the center much easier and will look like a decorative detail to most onlookers. b. I use the tip of a skew, my micro detailer, or a point tool for this. Removing sanding scratches: Before moving on to the next finer grit, STOP! Blow the dust off your project and use a strong light to LOOK at your project. Are all of the scratches gone? I see otherwise beautiful work with elegant shapes and excellent finishes on the internet that have scratch marks showing through. That ruins the piece for me every time. If you find scratches that are still visible, go back one grit and sand until they are gone. Then LOOK AGAIN before moving on. Otherwise, you will either have to live with ugly scratch marks or remove the finish and go all the way back to where the scratches are and start over. I’ve done that, but it is much easier to take a few seconds to discover them as you go. I find this happens often when turning pens. Over time, you will develop those little things that save time and effort if you do them as you go Safe turning
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After seeing Lew's dust collection for his lathe I'm keen on adding it to my lathe. One problem I have is the distance from my lathe to my dust collector. It's 30' horizontal and 11' up from the dust collector to the rafters. You can see the lathe in the background. I've tried to come up with an idea to fit the lathe in the wagon circle of wood working machines but fail to find a way to make it fit. One possible location is where the press brake and shelves are which is not too far from the dust collector. I don't do as much metal working as I used to and with Revere Plastics closing down the local plant I might not do any more metal working... This is another view showing the present location of the lathe. Right now I have an octopus setup with the dust collector with slide gates for each machine. The shop has 12' ceilings so there's a pretty tall vertical before the 30' horizontal run, do you think I'll loose much vacuum over that run? Or should I relocate the lathe closer to the dust collector? JT
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Steve Krumanaker posted a topic in Machinery, Tools, Research, Reviews and Safety
Bust especially for my shop. I've been using an older 2 bag dust collector for several years. It did a decent job but had just a bag for the filter. The collection bag was a PITA to dump and clean and even worse to reattach. I finally pulled the trigger and upgraded to a Grizzly G0860. It gives me a 1 micron filter, a cyclone separator, and much easier dumping and management of both shavings and dust. First impressions are very positive, it has great suction, a built in remote, magnetic switch, and actually has a smaller footprint than my older unit. There is a HEPA filter option but I didn't get that. Assembly was straight forward and everything fit as it should. The machine runs very smoothly but I do believe some of the bolt lengths were called out wrong as I had too many of one size and not enough of another, even though there were plenty in general. My gates, fittings, and hose are from a company called powertec.
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The Covid masks were championed to filter out viruses and keep Covid out. A wood workers treat…….. you no longer have to purchase safety rated masks!! So I did some turning/sanding with a Covid mask. The results were not good. I was turning Walnut (toxic) and soon started sneezing. I went to a mirror & saw the places where there were small gaps and bad seals. I also saw walnut dust on my nose. I finished my turning with my safety rated dust mask. Question: if wood dust gets through, how does it keep out viruses that are a million times or more smaller? My conclusion is never to use them again as a wood working mask what do you think?
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Recently I've been helping my nephew make a bunch of cutting boards to help fund his first semester in college. Basically a lot of tablesaw, jointer, and surface planer work. During the midst of it all the dust collector just quit working all of a sudden. I did basic troubleshooting. The unit powers on but there is no suction. There are no clogs. It's not full. No obvious leaks or tears in the hoses. Could it be the impeller? Very similar to this model.... https://www.rockler.com/dust-right-reg-wall-mount-dust-collector-650-cfm .40
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Quite honestly, dust collect isn't something I thought much about when I first started woodworking. In fact, the Building Construction Trades shop in high school barely had any provisions for dust collection other than the floor and horizontal surfaces. For years my basement shop didn't have any, either. Then I used an old furnace squirrel cage fan in a little window to vent air to the outside. A little later I added a Craigslist Delta dust/chip collector system plumbed to the table saw and jointer and some of the other worst offenders. Then came the Wen ceiling mounted air circulator/dust collector. My lathe dust collection setup was woefully inadequate. My old Delta lathe was benchtop mounted which didn't help much in allowing flexibility for design. Last year, when I upgraded to the floor standing Jet lathe, I could do things a bit different. But, in my haste to get turning and some pressing projects, I decided to "make do". This "hillbilly" hack was quick and easy. Not Pretty or very efficient. I wanted to improve this. The clothes hanger wire didn't stay in place. The hose opening was't in a great location. As @steven newman is fond of saying- "we have ways...". My first priority was that I didn't want to drill any holes in the lathe for mounting. Secondly, the mounting location needed to be somewhat flexible but at the same time hold securely. Some sort of clamping arrangement was in order (disclaimer: I over engineer everything)- This is made from scrap white oak and designed so that when the bolts are tightened, it clamps the mount to the lathe frame View from the underside- Next, I'll need to figure out how to attach the hose and I 'm thinking about some sort of hood that will allow for efficiency yet not interfere with a variety of turning items. As Stephen says, Stay Tuned!
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Lew wrote about redesigning his lathe vac system. I was already tossing it around in my mind and wrote about a header, etc. Then it hit me, why go thru all that. I used thick cardboard and sheets of plastic. The thicker plastic came from the Dollar 3 for a dollar and are about 11" by 14". It cuts easily and can be taped to make larger sheets. I made alterations as I went. I installed my shop vac 2 and half inch hose in the lower left and formed the bendable plastic to fit. This prototype has worked really good so far. I also have in mind a divider made of the same plastic that can be moved to shorten or lengthen the coverage area for more effective pick up. I like it so well, I may just go ahead and use it as is. If not, a permanent set up will be much easier using what I have for plans. I used hot melt glue and clear packing tape to make it and things went fast. I altered as I went.
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This isn't anything new to most of you but I just picked up the HF wireless remote receptacles - $20 for 3 receptacles and one remote. They're good for 15 amps each. I was looking at the high dollar versions and then kept hearing people talk about using $7 Christmas tree light remotes or picking up $5 versions on the bargain table and I really didn't want to spend a bundle on this. But it was getting old being all set up to make cuts and then realize I had not turned on the DC or shop vac, have to put everything down, walk across the shop to turn the DC or shop vac on, and then get ready again to cut or sand. My concern was the current draw so I checked them this morning and to my surprise the running current on the HF dust collector is 10.5 amps. My '6.5 HP' shop vac pulls 12 amps. If I recall the HF pulled nearly 12 with the 5 micron bag filter but I just changed to the Wynn 0.5 micron filter with a lot more surface area and correspondingly a bit less current draw. I guess time will tell as to how these hold up but as of now I have one spare. $20, not a bad deal - David
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This is how I set up the Dust Collection on my RA Saw. It plunges in and out of a wooden box and has a zero clearance insert in the table that has a dado under it back to the box so the saw dust below the blade is sucked out. No sawdust at all comes out of the blade guard fitting. Herb
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I've had a Rigid drum/belt sander for a year now and it does a really good job sanding. However, even with a high volume vacuum, it still does a poor job collecting dust. I tried building a cardboard enclosure and I'd cut and reshape as I went. I have had limited success. Without enclosing the whole thing, have you or anyone you know came up with a better way of dust suppression on this tool?
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My first one was really clumsy. it was mostly wood and nothing I did would hold up well. I used 3/8-16 threads and huge knobs and still I couldn't get a solid positional clamp; it kept flopping. Anyway this one is all aluminum and steel. I made it tool-less. There are knurled knobs for everything. I had an extrusion I mounted to the back of the lathe and hung it all from that. The threads in the aluminum are all helicoils.
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Hi all how have you resolved the dust issues with your Compound mitre saws? If any of you have plans can you please share them.
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Then I noticed my dust extraction unit might need attention.. I really have to watch these new grinding bits for they really do a great job of making saw dust...the wood borers must can tell when the bit is getting too close for I can hear them yelling and screaming!!! Maybe this dust is not too visible to the untrained eye. I hardly ever notice it.
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This window mounted fan support is a long overdue shop upgrade project. Every time I spray lacquer I had to rig the fan to stay in the window (it fell once and bent the blades). And it didn't work very well, either. As much air came in the window as the fan blew out. Also, every bug that got near the window got sucked in by the vortex on the periphery of the fan. This is much, much better! Enjoy! David
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I want to build a Thien baffle, but...
AshleyJ posted a topic in Machinery, Tools, Research, Reviews and Safety
In rebuilding my shop after move, I intended to build a Thien baffle for my Rigid shopvac. Part of it is the function (preserve the good VF6000 filter I put in the vac, and also slightly easier to empty/swap buckets that empty the vac)... but part of it is the intangible joy of the build and pushing the limits of it's effectiveness. Then I stumbled into this cyclone for $16. I don't know how effective it is, and I'm never thrilled about ordering from China... but at that price it's very hard to justify building my own Thien baffle until all my other shop wannabuilds are done. Has anyone tried this, or other clone cyclones? All opinions welcome. -
Well I guess I'd better start thinking about doing some Christmas shopping, maybe on Saturday... Thanks to all of the woodturners who participated in our Gold Star Christmas Family raffle. It's going to be a great Christmas for those kids! Please continue to tag your posts. It really does make site navigation easier. @Steve Krumanaker posted a really beautiful walnut bowl. The finish is absolutely flawless. Checkout this post! @HandyDan made a BUNCH of string tops- Check out how he did it and his great repurpose of some of the wood- @Joe Candrilli posed a question about turning and dust collection. He is turning Alumilite and the curlies were not being collected by his dust collector. A great conversation about this ensued- We have discussed different dust collection techniques here, in the past. While looking for help on Joe's question, I did run across another solution that may work for other dust material collection. The video is a little long but you may get some ideas from it. While on the subject of Alumilite, turning, shavings and Christmas, Rick Turns creates an acrylic Christmas tree- Some of us may be lucky enough to get a little cash from Santa. If you are looking for a new lathe chuck, Mike Peace has posted a video comparing/contrasting some of the chucks on the market. While the information has presents is great, in my opinion he has overlooked the best chuck available anywhere- the Easy Wood Tools chuck. Buy the EWT chuck first and you'll never need to buy another. Merry Christmas! Safe Turning
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Hi all. I hope you can provide a bit of advice. I just started using Alumilite full time in my shop. Love casting with it, love turning it, but my dust collection system hates it. I have an Oneida Dust Deputy with its own dedicated shop vac. Up until this point the system worked flawlessly, everything in the bucket and little into the shop vac itself. I was going to build a shop vac silencing box last weekend and took the system apart to measure the shop vac. I opened it up and was surprised to find it full of long, thin ribbons of Alumilite. So I set the system back up and did some testing and found that the ribbons are so light they just spin at the top of the dust deputy and eventually find their way into the shop vac vice falling into the bucket. Of course I did what any respectable tinkerer would do and attempted to fix it. I found some screen door material and put it over the center suction of the dust deputy and voila! No more ribbons in the shop vac. Now they gather on the mesh and clog the suction limiting the suction at the point of collection (lathe). So now I have to stop every 5 minutes or so, stop the shop vac, smack the dust deputy (or worse, take it apart again) to clean it, then go back to work. Am I the only one having issues like this? Wood, acrylic, and everything else works as intended. Alumilite seems to be so light and thin that it just goes right up the top suction and out to the shop vac.
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I have been having more problems with my allergies and am thinking of more protection from dust, that would protect my eyes too. I presently use a material mask that has coverage for my mouth and nose. It also has a check valve to exhale. I also use a full face shield. I am thinking of getting something better. Perhaps one that covers my face. Problem there is that I must wear glasses or magnifiers to see my work. I know I can buy stick on magnifiers that goes on the googles. There don't seem to be any clear cut answer I would like to hear what you use/recommend Thanks
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I'm at that point where I'm ready to start that final opening at the lathe for DC. What do you have why -- do you like it what would you do different? Got pix?
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I got my DC to each machine but the lathe and the router are open questions What do you do for DC at those stations, what would you prefer - - - and why? Post pics pls thx
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Lew I saw in your "turned round" picture, your set up for your vacuum when turning. Does that work well? Do you use all the time or just for sanding? I've been thinking about a vacuum set up, but haven't come up with much yet.
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The other day I posted a lathe project which prompted a question about my dust collection system. First off, I have to say I am the worst when it comes to dust collection. I just simply forget to turn it on. Anyway, the question was about the lathe collection. I have a 4" collection port at the lathe. It does a pretty good job of getting most of the dust as shown. I also have a short 4" hose (not shown) that can be positioned nearer the turning to make collection even more efficient. I use a couple of bungee cords to hold the extra hose in place. The main collector sets next to the lathe- The metal garbage can contains a shop made Thien separator. To help control overall dust, I made an exhaust fan from an old furnace blower and mounted it in the basement window- You can see from the dust on the filter, it does pull the air to the window. In fact, it does such a fine job that I have to make certain the furnace isn't running when I fire it up or it will pull the fumes into the basement. Also made a similar device that sets over head, near the lathe. Currently the filter needs to be upgraded to remove finer particles, but you get the point. A couple of more connections-
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