1 hour ago, Fred W. Hargis Jr said:

Larry, just a couple of points because there is already excellent advice above. You may have misunderstood Gene's reco about "run to the outside". I think his DC is inside the shop, but vented to the outside. It's a very good way to solve several problems if you're not concerned about venting the interior air out (if I'm the one who misunderstands, I apologize). The second is you mention drum sander. These things generate mountains of fine dust and  you need a good DC to catch it, and tight filtration to contain it (unless you vent out).

There is a possibility to vent it to the outside and might be something that can happen in the future.

 

Yes I have a drum sander.  It is probably one of the tools right now that will be pretty much used outside, I have not used it yet for anything major (just test pieces) It was purchased since the move and was one of those deals that was just too good to pass up.

If you run that DS without dust collection one thing can (and probably will) happen is that some of the dust will gather on the infeed side of the board, and go under the drum again. This may (or may not) cause problems with smoothness (you can get dimples) and might even clog the belt...which can eventually lead to burn marks on your work piece. Just a heads up.

3 minutes ago, Fred W. Hargis Jr said:

If you run that DS without dust collection one thing can (and probably will) happen is that some of the dust will gather on the infeed side of the board, and go under the drum again. This may (or may not) cause problems with smoothness (you can get dimples) and might even clog the belt...which can eventually lead to burn marks on your work piece. Just a heads up.

Thanks, I actually just read something along those same lines the other day.  

 

My original idea for dust collections was just the shop vac with a cyclone, thinking this would be enough power is why I have decided to get a bigger DC system.   A higher CFM rate should 

help alot with the drum sander dust collection, I think.

Thanks, @Fred W. Hargis Jr. My post wasn't clear, I guess. Yes, my impeller unit is INSIDE. The only thing outside is a bit of the flue pipe. 

As to conditioned air loss, I've not found that to be a huge factor at all. In my case, it would just be heated air. As a test, I went out side one cold day and, felt the exhausted air from the DC. It didn't seem to be much warmer than ambient. All of our well water auxiliary pump and tanks are in the shop with all my finishes, glues and epoxy resin cans and bottles so, it's kept at a constant 40° and, 60-65° when I'm working. Over the years, including before the DC was vented out, propane usage has not varied significantly. 

3 minutes ago, Gene Howe said:

Thanks, @Fred W. Hargis Jr. My post wasn't clear, I guess. Yes, my impeller unit is INSIDE. The only thing outside is a bit of the flue pipe. 

As to conditioned air loss, I've not found that to be a huge factor at all. In my case, it would just be heated air. As a test, I went out side one cold day and, felt the exhausted air from the DC. It didn't seem to be much warmer than ambient. All of our well water auxiliary pump and tanks are in the shop with all my finishes, glues and epoxy resin cans and bottles so, it's kept at a constant 40° and, 60-65° when I'm working. Over the years, including before the DC was vented out, propane usage has not varied significantly. 

Gene, Are you using like a outside dryer vent cover for the exhaust port? What is the noise level coming through the vent? I am trying to look at all viable options.

How do you break a 4x8 sheet down?

13 minutes ago, BillyJack said:

How do you break a 4x8 sheet down?

Right now I use two different ways, Either break them down with my skill saw or I when purchasing them I have at least some of my measurements and have them broke down before I leave the store. Having them broke down at the store is probably not the best but I always leave room for any errors they might make, plus they haven't charged me yet for doing this so I might as well use it.  

Edited October 1, 20196 yr by Larry Blighton

If you turned the table saw to the opening you should be able to atleast rip if it's too tight to cross cut. I really think there should be two catagories for shop setup. Small and large....

4 minutes ago, BillyJack said:

If you turned the table saw to the opening you should be able to atleast rip if it's too tight to cross cut. I really think there should be two catagories for shop setup. Small and large....

Ok, yes the table saw will be turned so that when I need to cut full sheets or any long boards that I can run them out the open garage door.

Edited October 1, 20196 yr by Larry Blighton

55 minutes ago, Larry Blighton said:

Gene, Are you using like a outside dryer vent cover for the exhaust port? What is the noise level coming through the vent? I am trying to look at all viable options.

No diversion of the air flow. Just the straight piece of stove pipe. Though, a dryer vent cover would be neater. But, nobody but me and the propane guy ever sees it.

I guess for me always being  the cabinet maker the sheet break down is always priority.  But I started out with a 10x10 metal shed in the 90's...

Maybe the best bet is to figure the tablesaw,out feed and work bench as one

2 minutes ago, BillyJack said:

Maybe the best bet is to figure the tablesaw,out feed and work bench as one

But, but, but...that means the bench needs to be cleared.

13 minutes ago, Gene Howe said:

No diversion of the air flow. Just the straight piece of stove pipe. Though, a dryer vent cover would be neater. But, nobody but me and the propane guy ever sees it.

Gene, thanks. I actually think that the noise from the vent is more important.  There is only about 20 feet to so to the neighbors house. 

11 minutes ago, BillyJack said:

Maybe the best bet is to figure the tablesaw,out feed and work bench as one

The good thing about this is that neither the work bench along that wall or the out feed table have been built yet, so there design is still fluid.  

By the way Billyjack was a great movie. 

7 minutes ago, Gene Howe said:

But, but, but...that means the bench needs to be cleared.

yea, keeping my work bench's clear of things is not something that I am good at. 

Even if my work bench is cleared the tablesaw and out feed find a a mess on it. It's the catch all syndrome. ..

1 minute ago, BillyJack said:

Even if my work bench is cleared the tablesaw and out feed find a a mess on it. It's the catch all syndrome. ..

Totally agree

24 minutes ago, Larry Blighton said:

Gene, thanks. I actually think that the noise from the vent is more important.  There is only about 20 feet to so to the neighbors house. 

I'll check it today and report.

2 minutes ago, Gene Howe said:

I'll check it today and report.

Awesome, thanks

Checked it. It's audible at 20' but, not obnoxiously so. As a comparison, my compressor and water pressure pump are much louder at the same distance. I'm sure the planer and TS, in rip mode, would be much louder, also. If you are ripping or planing, those sounds will drown out the DC. 

My DC only runs when I'm planing or using the TS or table router. The latter's screaming is way more objectionable.