February 19, 20179 yr Author Found it! Here. https://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/store/item/MS-IROUND.XX/Rounding_Planes_(Rounders)__by_Ray_Iles I may just make one, I got a Krenov style Hock blade on standby for a wood plane, but I may just use it to make one of these. I am so happy! So these guys call them rounding planes, ok.
February 19, 20179 yr Author Now that I got the right terminology I'm finding them all over the place. https://www.classichandtools.com/acatalog/Rounding-Planes.html
February 19, 20179 yr 12 minutes ago, John Morris said: Now that I got the right terminology didn't we determine early on that is what they were called,,,,
February 19, 20179 yr Author 1 minute ago, Stick486 said: didn't we determine early on that is what they were called,,,, Don't know, probably, just didn't see it.
February 19, 20179 yr Just now, John Morris said: Don't know, probably, just didn't see it. 11th post in....
February 19, 20179 yr Author 22 hours ago, Stick486 said: all we need is the right terminology... Rounding Planes - Ashem Crafts Rotary Planes Rounding Plane / Dowel Maker attempt #1: Wooden body ... Cool, was just looking here as well.
February 19, 20179 yr 22 hours ago, Stick486 said: lathe time...The Tapered Reamer The other Tapered Reamer using the tapered reamer to make your rounding plane. this one was the beginning ....
February 19, 20179 yr Author Just now, Stick486 said: this one was the beginning .... Ya I got it, thanks Stick
February 19, 20179 yr Just now, John Morris said: Ya I got it, thanks Stick sorry... cross overs in postings...
February 19, 20179 yr John... FWIW... I'm w/ you 100%.... the right tool for the job thing... I prefer no shoulders too... Edited February 19, 20179 yr by Stick486
February 19, 20179 yr Author 1 minute ago, Stick486 said: John... FWIW... I'm w/ you 100%.... the right for the job thing... I prefer no shoulders too... I may be going to no shoulders Stick, they are attractive. I'll be building my first few chairs by the book though for now, till I get comfortable with the process. Then like I have in the past, I'll start spreading my wings and getting creative and adding my own flare. I envision in the future using many of the design elements from the sculpted rockers melting together with the shaker chair design, I can see it happening, I just need to understand these chairs first. Thanks for all your help.
February 19, 20179 yr 2 minutes ago, John Morris said: I may be going to no shoulders Stick, they are attractive that they are... another connection is to have a locking tapered tenon w/ a fitted shoulder... the fitted shoulder prevent excessive draw up and provides for solid joinery.. if one or two of the stretchers draws up a bit too far it pulls the layup out of square and then you have to fuss w/ the chair to get it to set/sit right... w/ tapers make sure the mortise matches the tenon and all of the sockets are near identical depths... once you get this to be 2nd nature life gets easier for you and your project...
February 19, 20179 yr Author 2 minutes ago, Stick486 said: that they are... another connection is to have a locking tapered tenon w/ a fitted shoulder... the fitted shoulder prevent excessive draw up and provides for solid joinery.. if one or two of the stretchers draws up a bit too far it pulls the layup out of square and then you have to fuss w/ the chair to get it to set/sit right... w/ tapers make sure the mortise matches the tenon and all of the sockets are near identical depths... once you get this to be 2nd nature life gets easier for you and your project... The thing about the taper tenons Stick, is they may be too tight. The shaker chairs because of the trapezoidal seat shape depend on loose tenons, thus the reason for the shoulders to hide some of the minute slop. Made by hand, those tenons could never be a perfect fit, if they were the chair would never go together. Taper tenons are great on Windsor chairs because of the way the Windsors are designed, but the shouldered tenons with a little slop is needed with the post and rung trapezoid shaped chairs by the shaker. It's a built in flaw that museum curators noticed by repairing originals. It's quite an interesting concept, a built in flaw to facilitate ease in assembly, and when the chair parts are forced in at angles they don't like, the chair is tight and sturdy. One of the drawbacks of taper tenons is the posts tend to split more often than a shouldered tenon would. But as you and I both agree, the taper sure looks sweet and clean.
February 19, 20179 yr 11 minutes ago, John Morris said: I'll be building my first few chairs by the book though for now, you could ease/soften the shoulders and that would improve the aesthetics... these are the last chairs I did and they have fitted shoulders... all of the tenons are foxtail wedge and glued w/ hide glue... table is mine too as is the rest of the furniture... (see the yesteryear projects)
February 19, 20179 yr Author Just now, Stick486 said: you could ease/soften the shoulders and that would improve the aesthetics... Thought of that and have done it. I actually have taken the shoulders down to less than a 16th and soften the edges by sanding at the lathe. Nice work Stick.
February 20, 20179 yr On 2/18/2017 at 1:04 PM, John Morris said: You can't use a round spoke shave to cut chair rung Tenon's, the tool is too big. are you thinking draw knife???? Edited February 20, 20179 yr by Stick486
February 21, 20179 yr Author 1 hour ago, Stick486 said: are you thinking draw knife???? No, you mentioned a spoke shave for the tenons, you can cut shouldered tenons with a spoke shave.
February 21, 20179 yr 20 minutes ago, John Morris said: you can cut shouldered tenons with a spoke shave never tried a curved spoke shave perpendicular to the long grain (unless I was making a form of a ball end) only w/ the grain nor have I tried to cut a shouldered tenon w/ one but have cut a lot of tapers using them... ...
February 21, 20179 yr Author 14 minutes ago, Stick486 said: never tried a curved spoke shave perpendicular to the long grain (unless I was making a form of a ball end) only w/ the grain nor have I tried to cut a shouldered tenon w/ one but have cut a lot of tapers using them... ... For the sake of this discussion Stick, shouldered round tenons. I got it figured out though, thanks for all your help!
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