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Bronze or Iron?

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14 minutes ago, Woodbutcherbynight said:

On your recommendation I will have one.:D

Make mine a double. 

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  • John Morris
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    19 minutes ago, steven newman said: Hmm...well...I can either spend that $350 on a handplane....or...add $9 to it, and make the payment on my van.....since I can't ride a hand plane, but I

  • PostalTom
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    There are so many hand tools I want to buy and try.  I don't want to try the cheap ones for fear that it might lead to a bad experience and I pass on a tool that would give me a lot of enjoyment.  Mos

  • @derekcohen  Thanks for a good explanation, very helpful.  And I agree sometimes the topic of sharpening can get like a sawstop one, dark and ugly very quickly.  I usually avoid commenting on such top

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The info about the Bronze plane is interesting. I just saw a LN #4 bronze for sale on another forum. I considered buying it (it was  a fair price IMHO) but backed off at the last minute. It did sell within 10 hours of being posted.

I recalled one of my favorite furniture builders that I was introduced too oh I'd say about 7 years ago or more. I love their style, a man woman partnered team, and I noticed they use Lie Nielsen in their shop. I have spoke with Matthew Wolfe in the past and he is such a nice wonderful man, and easy to approach, he and I traded opinions on hand tools, I liked his advice and it fit me and my objectives for my shop. I have also learned a lot from just watching his videos.

 

@PostalTom, I could of sworn he used an LN No. 4 Bronze in his other videos, but in this video he is using the LN No.4 Iron, and as you can see, it doesn't matter, his work is superb. I love my LN Bronze, not only does it work beautifully as the iron does, but it just looks so danged cool too :) 

Matthew is not sponsored by LN, he just loves their tools. So do I. Just thought I'd share this video of a true master at work, he has many other videos of his builds at his YouTube channel.

He also uses those lovely Veritas shaves.

 

Also, he linked to us on his website, you gotta love that.

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Links to friends and buisnesses at Doucette and Wolf Furniture Makers, handcrafted furniture and colonial furniture handmade...

 

 

20 hours ago, Smallpatch said:

Do they just do wood working on weekends and have an office job

Jess, that's a whole lot of us here! With your high standards regarding who is qualified to give advise on tools, we should remain silent. :P

Seriously though, there are a whole bunch of woodworker hobbyist and weekend warriors who's opinions I value highly here. 

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I just putter along....although, sometimes I'd like to afford...

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The $145 he wanted for this No. 8...that No. 6 was $45

 

Maybe when I head down there, this Labor Day Weekend...I might find something I can afford...

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Maybe...

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$145 for a #8???? I gave one to Dave Bardin at the LJ get together in Louisiana. 

I got my #8 on ebay for 120 and it had a Hock blade so that was a bargain price. I think that blade alone is 80 to 90. I do love it but don't use it much

 

Well I actually found the A2 blade by Hock for 38 to 45 on another site.

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I had to go to Virginia, to pick my Stanley No. 8 up....Charles Neil sent it home with me..still using it, too..with the OEM iron.  

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Because the board is 49" long...

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Might be as old as this "old Arn"?:ChinScratch:

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17 minutes ago, steven newman said:

I had to go to Virginia, to pick my Stanley No. 8 up....Charles Neil sent it home with me..still using it, too..with the OEM iron.  

Awesome!!!!!!!:cowboy:

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I am fairly new to the forum, but have been building furniture and tools for some decades. When I started out, it was with whatever I could afford, which was not much. What is clear to me is that, as most here know, tools do not make a craftsman. On the other hand, crappy tools do make it harder to become a craftsman. Given the choice, I'd rather use nice tools than not. 

 

I am rather fortunate now to own and use some nice tools. Even better, some were payment for helping design or testing them for production. Mostly, this has been with Lee Valley/Veritas, but also includes other manufacturers.

 

John, in regard to your statement that an 80 year-old tablesaw cannot be beat, I assume that you have not used a decent slider :) They are in a different league ... do things differently. A few years ago I was upgrading the contractor saw I had used for 20 years, and chose a Hammer K3 slider over the SawStop plus all the trimmings. I would not go back.

 

When it comes to hand planes, there are so many types from which to choose.Woodies, Bailey, Bevel Up, Bevel Down, Infill, High Angle, Low Angle, Common Angle, Half Pitch ... Choose what is comfortable for you, and gets you the results you need.

 

There is a page on my website with many tool reviews:  http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ToolReviews/index.html

I am fortunate to have done a lot of work with Lee Valley, and being in a select position to share with others my experiences and insights into tools that they may not get to use. There are also other manufacturers.

 

One review which I shall point all towards is ostensibly about the Veritas Custom Planes. It is, however, a three-part article about plane design, ergonomics and use. I think it is worth reading:  http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ToolReviews/VeritasCustomPlanes1.html

 

So, wither bronze or steel? I have the LN Anniversary #4 1/2 (only 500 were made), and a bronze #3 ...

 

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Now I am rather partial to bevel down planes using the chipbreaker to control tearout. The Veritas Custom #4 has a 42-degree bed and yet planes the most interlocked grain you can imagine (and that is what we have in Western Australia). The PM-V11 steel is possibly the finest steel available for planes ...

 

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However, the plane that I consider to be one of the most under rated and one that is simply superb is this one (below). I wonder if you can guess what it is (since I modified it) ...

 

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Regards from Perth

 

Derek

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7 minutes ago, derekcohen said:

John, in regard to your statement that an 80 year-old tablesaw cannot be beat,

you'll have to read that statement again Derek, I was making the opposite point, actually the same point you just made. It was a rhetorical comment. :)

By the way Derek, thanks so much for the content you have been putting up here lately, I just have not had the time I want to contribute to your topics as they deserve, I hope to get on there this weekend and share your wonderful tool build topics and more, thanks so much sir!

Rats ... sorry about misreading that John. 

 

It's been so much fun to post. There have been so many articles and tools I had not looked at in years. Sort of like rediscovering a tool one purchased years ago, slipped into a drawer, and forgot it was there! :)

 

I look forward to your comments. 

 

Regards from Perth

 

Derek

:o I'll stick with my 80+ year old "tilty". ;)

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1 hour ago, derekcohen said:

It's been so much fun to post. There have been so many articles and tools I had not looked at in years. Sort of like rediscovering a tool one purchased years ago, slipped into a drawer, and forgot it was there!

Well share as much as you want!!  While I may never make the attempt, having seen it done I might remember this and apply it to what I am working on at the time.  Now this idea that you actually use such priceless treasures is killing me.... :D

 

Few years ago I made new handles for my Grandfathers hammers from 1950's sometime.  I catch someone trying to use one,...… well... ummm.  Never mind. 

I would be upset shall we say.:D

 

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Derek...this is a curiosity question: is the Sawstop available in the Land Down Under?

3 hours ago, derekcohen said:

 

 

 

However, the plane that I consider to be one of the most under rated and one that is simply superb is this one (below). I wonder if you can guess what it is (since I modified it) ...

 

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Regards from Perth

 

Derek

At first glance LV low angle block with added handle which I have but that is not a added handle so must be a LV Custom low angle.

To me it looks all the world like a Veritas low angle smooth plane, but the sidewalls appear thicker and shaped slightly different, the knob and tote also look different.

2 hours ago, Woodbutcherbynight said:

Few years ago I made new handles for my Grandfathers hammers from 1950's sometime.  I catch someone trying to use one,...… well... ummm.  Never mind. 

I would be upset shall we say.:D

Nice handles and restoration!

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On 8/13/2019 at 6:40 AM, John Morris said:

I love my LN Bronze, not only does it work beautifully as the iron does, but it just looks so danged cool too :)

John, you understand me.  A good, tuned up thrift store special may work just as good as a top of the line LV or LN tool, but the LV or LN just seems to do a better job, just because of the cool factor.  In your head, you know that "just as good" really is just as good, but for some of us, there is an almost emotional response to the "cool" tool.  It's like the difference between a room with no lights on, and one that is well lit.  The actual temperature may be identical, but the darker room, at least to me, will feel cooler.  OK, I'll quit rambling now. 

Now..about that tuned up, thrift store plane..

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Sargent Co. 408....vs...Ash...

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Millers Falls No. 14....

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Same plane, new deck board for a mitre box...needed to be flat.

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