With Al's and my vast turning experience, we could write a 1/4 page manual....with illustrations.

39 minutes ago, Gene Howe said:

we could write a 1/4 page manual....with illustrations

You could borrow John's crayon collection and make it in color!

15 hours ago, HandyDan said:

I see in your in your first picture you have a "PAG" (precision angle guide).  Here is a video on how it is used.  This guy knows the Ringmaster inside and out.  Check out the rest of his videos too.

 

 

Thank you everyone for the words of encouragement. Dan I hadn’t figgered out how to use the PAG yet, Thanks for the video, I will bookmark that and add it to my favs. I gotta finish some projects, the kid is getting married in August, the Missus needs cataract surgery on both eyes. I will try it as soon as I can  

On 6/22/2019 at 12:32 PM, Artie said:

So because we like pictures, here are some of it outta the box, and then assembled and on the Shopsmith.

Artie that new Shopsmith sure is purdy, is that actually a black color on the engine? Or a darker gray than the Mark V ?

There’s black around the on/off switch, and around the electronic control module, if that’s where you’re looking?

38 minutes ago, Artie said:

There’s black around the on/off switch, and around the electronic control module, if that’s where you’re looking?

It was the whole body Artie, all the metal looked black to me, but then after another look, it's dark gray, I compared your image to mine, the are basically the same, also you have that new paint job, unfaded so that would lend to the sharp darker appearance I think.

 

9 hours ago, John Morris said:

unfaded so that would lend to the sharp darker appearance I think.

Let me help explain this. 

 

What John  is saying is your unit needs a suntan and some patina.  Take a hammer and ding the paint a few times, take a spray can of paint and dust it a little, then add sawdust.  

Handy Dan makes reference to the "PAG" (precision angle guide).  There is a chart circulating that has the settings for the pag based on a single thickness measurement.  This is the first of 4 pages.  I'd be happy to send the entire word doc via email, or if someone more tech savvy knows how to post it as a download, that would be great.

 

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THICKNESS       5/16"                  3/8"                  THICKNESS                     SPACE              3/8                        THICKNESS                     5/16                    3/8

.375                                                                                                                                                                                                           1.987                 2.389

.376                   2.489                  2.992                        .424                           2.208                 2.653                         .472                           1.983                 2.383

.377                   2.483                  2.984                        .425                           2.202                 2.647                         .473                           1.979                 2.378

.378                   2.476                  2.976                        .426                           2.197                 2.641                         .474                           1.975                 2.373

.379                   2.470                  2.968                        .427                           2.192                 2.635                         .475                           1.971                 2.368

.380                   2.463                  2.961                        .428                           2.187                 2.629                         .476                           1.966                 2.363

.381                   2.457                  2.953                        .429                           2.182                 2.622                         .477                           1.962                 2.358

.382                   2.450                  2.945                        .430                           2.177                 2.616                         .478                           1.958                 2.354

.383                   2.444                  2.937                        .431                           2.172                 2.610                         .479                           1.954                 2.349

.384                   2.438                  2.930                        .432                           2.167                 2.604                         .480                           1.950                 2.344

.385                   2.431                  2.922                        .433                           2.162                 2.598                         .481                           1.946                 2.339

.386                   2.425                  2.915                        .434                           2.157                 2.592                         .482                           1.942                 2.334

.387                   2.419                  2.907                        .435                           2.152                 2.586                         .483                           1.938                 2.329

.388                   2.412                  2.899                        .436                           2.147                 2.580                         .484                           1.934                 2.324

.389                   2.406                  2.892                        .437                           2.142                 2.574                         .485                           1.930                 2.320

.390                   2.400                  2.885                        .438                           2.137                 2.568                         .486                           1.926                 2.315

.391                   2.394                  2.877                        .439                           2.132                 2.563                         .487                           1.922                 2.310

.392                   2.388                  2.870                        .440                           2.127                 2.557                         .488                           1.918                 2.305

.393                   2.382                  2.863                        .441                           2.122                 2.551                         .489                           1.914                 2.301

.394                   2.376                  2.855                        .442                           2.118                 2.545                         .490                           1.910                 2.296

.395                   2.370                  2.848                        .443                           2.113                 2.540                         .491                           1.906                 2.291

.396                   2.364                  2.841                        .444                           2.108                 2.534                         .492                           1.902                 2.287

.397                   2.358                  2.834                        .445                           2.103                 2.528                         .493                           1.899                 2.282

.398                   2.352                  2.827                        .446                           2.099                 2.522                         .494                           1.895                 2.277

.399                   2.346                  2.820                        .447                           2.094                 2.517                         .495                           1.891                 2.273

.400                   2.340                  2.813                        .448                           2.089                 2.511                         .496                           1.887                 2.268

.401                   2.334                  2.805                        .449                           2.085                 2.506                         .497                           1.883                 2.264

.402                   2.328                  2.799                        .450                           2.080                 2.500                         .498                           1.880                 2.259

.403                   2.323                  2.792                        .451                           2.075                 2.494                         .499                           1.876                 2.255

.404                   2.317                  2.785                        .452                           2.071                 2.489                         .500                           1.872                 2.250

.405                   2.311                  2.778                        .453                           2.066                 2.483                         .501                           1.868                 2.246

.406                   2.305                  2.771                        .454                           2.062                 2.478                         .502                           1.865                 2.241

.407                   2.300                  2.764                        .455                           2.057                 2.473                         .503                           1.861                 2.237

.408                   2.294                  2.757                        .456                           2.053                 2.467                         .504                           1.857                 2.232

.409                   2.289                  2.751                        .457                           2.048                 2.462                         .505                           1.853                 2.228

.410                   2.283                  2.744                        .458                           2.044                 2.456                         .506                           1.850                 2.223

.411                   2.277                  2.737                        .459                           2.039                 2.451                         .507                           1.846                 2.219

.412                   2.272                  2.731                        .460                           2.035                 2.446                         .508                           1.843                 2.215

.413                   2.266                  2.724                        .461                           2.030                 2.440                         .509                           1.839                 2.210

.414                   2.261                  2.717                        .462                           2.026                 2.435                         .510                           1.835                 2.206

.415                   2.255                  2.711                        .463                           2.022                 2.430                         .511                           1.832                 2.202

.416                   2.250                  2.704                        .464                           2.017                 2.425                         .512                           1.828                 2.197

.417                   2.245                  2.698                        .465                           2.013                 2.419                         .513                           1.825                 2.193

.418                   2.239                  2.691                        .466                           2.009                 2.414                         .514                           1.821                 2.189

.419                   2.234                  2.685                        .467                           2.004                 2.409                         .515                           1.817                 2.184

.420                   2.229                  2.679                        .468                           2.000                 2.404                         .516                           1.814                 2.180

.421                   2.223                  2.672                        .469                           1.996                 2.399                         .517                           1.810                 2.176

.422                   2.218                  2.666                        .470                           1.991                 2.394                         .518                           1.807                 2.172

 

 

 

 

Well, "PAG" (precision angle guide) as a PDF, so here it is.  

PAG SETTINGS TABLE PDF.pdf

I GOTTA find some time for playing with the Ringmaster, Thank you sir.

Rather than bore the center for the bore, why not use the small faceplate?  Further, why not use a waste block glued to the board?  Is there that much stress caused by the ringmaster process?  

Just looked at one of these things.  Interesting, don't have the cash for one, or a lathe that a adapter will fit, or a shopsmith but I might step up one day. 

FlGatorwood, 

That's a good question.  I use my Ringmaster on a Jet lathe.  As long as there is enough distance to access the bowl blank a faceplate would work.  In order to get the distance between the lathe head and the Ringmaster, a  spindle extender would be an answer to get the necessary distance required to align the blank in the Ringmaster "cutting zone."  The "Hold Fast 3-1/2" Spindle Extender 1-1/4x8"--is available at a famous online retailer.  A quick Google search yielded nothing about faceplate extensions. The Shopsmith with its extendable spindle would make the use of a faceplate feasible without an adaptation.

 

As for stress, sharp tools and the hardness of the wood being used affect stress.  I use cobalt cutters and find the stress/cutting resistance is of little concern.  Experience is helpful in adapting rotation speed and cutting speed to manage cutting stress a.k.a. cutting resistance.

 

I don't like the hole either!  The spindle extender might be worth a try....at $50.  Its just money--right?

A different piece of wood can be glued on last.  A mounting recess for a chuck can be added and used to hold the bowl for sanding.

I have the chart in color which Mike provided.

 

As to using a spindle extension that will induce more vibration and then the blank will not spin true. Think about it there is a plank (ok glueup if you prefer) spinning at about 750 on your lathe and if not true and you cannot true it with lathe tools, then there will be considerable movement.

 

The process does take some time to master as far as doing different things with it. There are some who replace the holed bottom with solid pieces since there was some concern about wood movement.

I use a Ringmaster on my Jet lathe.  The attached picture shows the spindle and the relative distance to the Ringmaster.  The length  of the spindle is not objectionable.  Perhaps a spindle adapter would not vibrate beyond what is reasonable.  One the other hand, maybe not. 

The problem of gluing a temporary base is getting it attached securely/safely, and then getting it off without damage to the base (bottom of the bowl).  I use leather or suede  to cover the bottom of the bowls I make.  But that hole plug at the bottom of the bowl!!!  I plan to do some research into spindle extenders...after the holidays.

I think the motored Ringmaster is the way to go.  That way it is always ready to go.  No set up like the lathe mounted models.

4 hours ago, MIKERONK said:

I use a Ringmaster on my Jet lathe.  The attached picture shows the spindle and the relative distance to the Ringmaster.  The length  of the spindle is not objectionable.  Perhaps a spindle adapter would not vibrate beyond what is reasonable.  One the other hand, maybe not. 

The problem of gluing a temporary base is getting it attached securely/safely, and then getting it off without damage to the base (bottom of the bowl).  I use leather or suede  to cover the bottom of the bowls I make.  But that hole plug at the bottom of the bowl!!!  I plan to do some research into spindle extenders...after the holidays.

Mike there are some very good spindle adapters out there. Penn State is not one in my experience. One Way is good but I do not think the make a wide assortment and quite pricey . Looks like Nova makes some at 38 each should be good.

Thank you Gerald, I'll check 'em out. 

On 6/22/2019 at 8:03 PM, Woodbutcherbynight said:

Artie, you got to spread some sawdust around THEN take the picture.  Wives look at this stuff, and they see, clean shops.  You are not helping some people here....

I solve that by having some show up in the washer and dryer!  It alleviates some doubt!  🤪