7 minutes ago, Fred W. Hargis Jr said:

Several with very limited traffic

For sure Fred, those are now under review to be removed, CNC is the first consideration to remove in order to preserve real estate. It never hurts to try a new forum. You raise a great point, I never wanted to create a forum for every conceivable topic, I don't like that forum model, and I don't think we have done that here. Just the main topics are covered at this point.

 

By the way, compared to other forums of great fame, our entire community has limited traffic! But you all can help us change that, invite your friends to come join us!

You've made a good point, Fred. 

7 hours ago, Fred W. Hargis Jr said:

I guess it seems that realistically there isn't enough discussion about DC to merit a separate forum, at least that's the way it's been on several of the other boards I visit. I remember that Wood chose to exclude the DC section when after their lat revamp due to lack of threads on the subject. If you consider a DC just another woodwokring machine, it fits pretty well in that section. Even the dedicated DC boards seem to have little traffic (the only one I visit is the CV board). Just an opinion.

If you want to look at it that way, well there isn't much discussion about woodworking either. But what is important about dust collection is that without it, it can be a fire issue. Not to say that a dust collector and air filtration system will get it all, but it will certainly cut down cleanup time. For health reasons a good dust mask is probably the way to go for added health protection. But thats ok, I can start my own dust site somewhere else where I can modify when I want if some don't want it here.

Edited August 31, 20197 yr by CharlieL

1 hour ago, John Morris said:

@CharlieL may just be that good moderator, hmmm, whatdya think Charlie?

Sounds like a thankless job.

Charlie, my opinion is only on the subject of a separate forum. I see the subject DC as one of the most important aspects of woodworking, having one is as important as any other tool in the shop. I've went though 3 different systems to get the one I have now....each of those with several modifications, and I now think I have the right setup. This has been an expensive journey, and I only mention it to affirm my belief in how important it is. That said, I just don't see enough specific discussions on DC to have it's own place. But I've said enough....I'll shut up.

Edited August 31, 20197 yr by Fred W. Hargis Jr

To me it was fun, I got to redesign some dust hoods for a couple machines, but unfortunately no one really appreciates it enough to support my efforts.

2 hours ago, CharlieL said:

Sounds like a thankless job.

It is a thankless job, there is no reward in being a forum host here, except for your own happiness in helping others.

I tried. I'm done.

2 hours ago, John Morris said:

It is a thankless job, there is no reward in being a forum host here, except for your own happiness in helping others.

I tried. I'm done.

It's just darned hard work. If it weren't for the lavish perks, I'd quit. 

1 hour ago, Gene Howe said:

It's just darned hard work. If it weren't for the lavish perks, I'd quit. 

The perks?  Gee, I thought you were doing it because you liked interacting and bantering back and forth with us members.  

29 minutes ago, JIMMIEM said:

The perks?  Gee, I thought you were doing it because you liked interacting and bantering back and forth with us members.  

That's some of the better perks Jim. 

I'm a newcomer to this and other ww forums, plus I'm just now realizing the importance of dust control.  This is after 50 years on the fringes.  I understand the idea of a separate DC forum may not be feasible, and I have no idea how much work it would involve.  But is there a way to provide some type of resource library (for lack of a better term)?  

 

For example, I am just learning about the Thien separator, and similar concepts, and I'm working my way through the research of Bill Pentz.  I wouldn't be surprised to learn of other similar resources.  So I would find a list of resources and/or links very helpful.  Plus if someone came across additional information or new products perhaps it could be added there.  Or if someone had an idea or application they wanted to share, or even their experience with a certain product, that would be the place for it.   

 

As I proof this, it's sounding more like another forum topic after all.  But that's my two cents on this important topic.  Thank you, Jim.

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, RedMGB said:

s I proof this, it's sounding more like another forum topic after all.  But that's my two cents on this important topic.  Thank you, Jim.

Very important feedback Red, thanks sir!

Typically we would see a DC question in the General Forum, and it would get replies / advice / critiques and the like.  Very rare you see one because most either have one that they have fine tuned, or are just getting started, or don't care about it that much.  I posted some on the add ons to my own DC here and got good feedback and advice.  With the tags DC or anything DC related a search would pull up plenty of threads, even older ones for someone to use.

 

I really don't have an opinion either way on a separate forum, above my pay grade. 

3 hours ago, RedMGB said:

I'm a newcomer to this and other ww forums, plus I'm just now realizing the importance of dust control.  This is after 50 years on the fringes.  I understand the idea of a separate DC forum may not be feasible, and I have no idea how much work it would involve.  But is there a way to provide some type of resource library (for lack of a better term)?  

 

For example, I am just learning about the Thien separator, and similar concepts, and I'm working my way through the research of Bill Pentz.  I wouldn't be surprised to learn of other similar resources.  So I would find a list of resources and/or links very helpful.  Plus if someone came across additional information or new products perhaps it could be added there.  Or if someone had an idea or application they wanted to share, or even their experience with a certain product, that would be the place for it.   

 

As I proof this, it's sounding more like another forum topic after all.  But that's my two cents on this important topic.  Thank you, Jim.

 

 

 

This is the book on the subject. Not up to date on current items available but a good start. Also there are many ways to tune up or enhance a lower cost system so that it functions better at a higher efficiency. Best thing to do is start a new topic and ask some general questions such as 1. what type system do I need?

                           2. How much airflow do I need?

                           3. How to reduce noise?

                           4. What kind of duct can i use?

                           5. What about gates?

                           6. What is best bag or pleated filter?

 

Do not ask all at once but a few at a time and you will get many varied responses.

@John Morris may let us create a blog on dust collection so that it would be in one place together. Or we could just do it anyway.

Edited September 1, 20197 yr by Gerald

Thank you Gerald.  I had not seen that book.  Awareness of resources like this is one of the points I was trying to make.

Jim

Edited September 1, 20197 yr by RedMGB

7 hours ago, Gerald said:

@John Morris may let us create a blog on dust collection so that it would be in one place together. Or we could just do it anyway.

No permission is ever needed to create any blog! Blog away!

OK now who is going to volunteer???? I can do basics and tips but for technical such as loss calculation and suction needed need someone else

3 hours ago, Gerald said:

I can do basics and tips

I understood this part.

 

3 hours ago, Gerald said:

loss calculation and suction needed

Had no idea we were building rocket ships.

 

30 minutes ago, Woodbutcherbynight said:

 

 

Had no idea we were building rocket ships.

 

Well not rocket science but there is some math involved in  determining suction of the machine you have or buy and what length of pipe it can handle. Ok guess I will start on one today

7 hours ago, Gerald said:

Well not rocket science but there is some math involved in  determining suction of the machine you have or buy and what length of pipe it can handle. Ok guess I will start on one today

Thank you Gerald. 

 

Hopefully we don't have to reinvent the wheel here.  I think all the technical/engineering work has been done by Bill Pentz.  One posting I read somewhere suggested going to his FAQ, and I'm working my way through that now.  Link:  http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/ducting.cfm#faqs

 

Perhaps a good option at this point is to follow the suggestions from your earlier response and Woodbutcherbynight.  I might ask a question about effective and reasonably priced piping or fittings.  Hopefully that would get replies about what works and what doesn't, and where to find it.  It might be good to describe some information about your shop - a few hours each week compared to a full time professional shop. 

On 8/31/2019 at 9:03 PM, Woodbutcherbynight said:

Typically we would see a DC question in the General Forum, and it would get replies / advice / critiques and the like.  Very rare you see one because most either have one that they have fine tuned, or are just getting started, or don't care about it that much.  I posted some on the add ons to my own DC here and got good feedback and advice.  With the tags DC or anything DC related a search would pull up plenty of threads, even older ones for someone to use.

 

I really don't have an opinion either way on a separate forum, above my pay grade. 

Thank you. Jim

Edited September 2, 20197 yr by RedMGB