5 minutes ago, John Morris said:

With a particulate dust mask and standard eye glasses I battle that situation, glasses get fogged. My next prescription glasses purchase is going to be the sealed safety glasses with prescription. The fogged lens would get so bad, I had to make a decision sometimes, dust mask, or glasses, glasses won all the time.

 

If you do not need safety glasses, and your standard glasses are fine, the half masks do not leach air upwards thus fogging your glasses, since the exhale is ejected out the baffles near the filters away from your face, not up.

 

I use a half mask myself and agree my glasses are fog free.

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I think what I am trying to do here, with my resistance to a full mask for Ron Altier, is spending money that does not need to be spent. His issues seem to be minor allergies at worse. I have also known Ron for years here, and he and I kind of roll the same way with our finances, we are very thrifty and the prices that some of the full masks with pumps are fetching are too high and I think are going to be too much. You can get a nice half mask for 20 bucks or so, and a pair of sealed safety glasses for 10 bucks, and if Ron has an insurance plan, then he can score a nice pair of prescription safety glasses for free from Walmart Eye Services. Of course as always, IMHO.

9 minutes ago, John Morris said:

Hey, if you need that level of protection go for it, most would not I would wager.

and there's the employees....

Just now, Stick486 said:

and there's the employees....

Ron's needs are home shop. Not much more, but ya, if I was running a commercial shop of any kind, I would most definitely consider the high priced filtration systems, you bet.

5 minutes ago, John Morris said:

is spending money that does not need to be spent

understood....

Some wonderful ideas and information in this topic guys, keep it up, I just had to reel it in for Ron's benefit.

I have COPD and I need a full mask, I wear glasses. I don't want to have fogged up glasses. At 2.2 lbs that does not seem to much on my head. I worry about the cumbersome of it. I have to have something like that or quit woodworking. When I die I hope they have to pry my dead cold fingers off a woodworking tool.

 

Preston

46 minutes ago, steamshovel said:

 

I have COPD

Mom was diagnosed with that a few months ago Preston, how are you doing on a day to day basis?

Yep, a full mask is exactly what you need, anything to keep working the wood!

15 hours ago, Stick486 said:

 

Gerald.. is it this one...

Trend Airshield Pro....

Yes that is it . I got a deal on mine as the fellow I got it from did not like the weight.

11 hours ago, Stick486 said:

yes and yes....

keep in mind that fresh filtered air is pumped into them...

benefits out weigh the cost,,,

As Stick said the advantage to having the fan type respirator is you do not expend energy by forcing air through the filters and out the valve . I do not like the rubber on my face any longer than needed for spraying and the half mask interferes with my glasses . I understood Ron to say allergies were also affecting his eyes?

    By the way @John Morris a great number of insurance plans now do not cover eyeglasses only the exam by a medical doctor. My plans changed over 10 years ago.

Edited February 11, 20179 yr by Gerald

If you plan to purchase this, I saw it on Amazon for $349.00 and change

By the way since we are talking allergies . As we get older and a number of us are retired, we become sensitized to things we are exposed to. This sensitization can occur after one exposure or after 1000 exposures. The sensitization may be mild such as nasal congestion or all the way to an anaphylactic reaction causing death. For most of us it is gradual and cumulative, meaning slow onset .

      So the warning is to protect yourself before the sensitization occurs.

We're all vulnerable. I have a problem working with Western Red Cedar. I develope runny eyes and skin rash, even with protection.

23 minutes ago, Gerald said:

  By the way @John Morris a great number of insurance plans now do not cover eyeglasses only the exam by a medical doctor. My plans changed over 10 years ago.

I don't know of too many health insurance plans that do cover exams and glasses. In my case I have health insurance through work, and I have to purchase an eye services insurance separately. As well as dental separately.

My eye insurance doesn't pay that much really, I think it's one free exam per year, and 80 bucks towards glasses and 40 bucks for frames. As many of you know, that don't go too far with glasses. That's why I have to shop Walmart Eye Services in their stores. I can't see paying 3 to 4 hundred dollars for glasses. So I pretty much stay with what the insurance gives us, so my frames aren't from Italy, and my glasses don't have all the fancy scratch protection and anti glare, oh well. So far so good.

6 minutes ago, Gerald said:

By the way since we are talking allergies . As we get older and a number of us are retired, we become sensitized to things we are exposed to. This sensitization can occur after one exposure or after 1000 exposures. The sensitization may be mild such as nasal congestion or all the way to an anaphylactic reaction causing death. For most of us it is gradual and cumulative, meaning slow onset .

      So the warning is to protect yourself before the sensitization occurs.

Sage advice Gerald, thanks sir.

Back to what Ron may be able to use, can you all come up with some options that cost less than 50 bucks? I think that is where we need to be.

15 hours ago, John Morris said:

Mom was diagnosed with that a few months ago Preston, how are you doing on a day to day basis?

Yep, a full mask is exactly what you need, anything to keep working the wood!

 

 

 

John: I have lost about 45 lbs. and that has helped. I have a hard time breathing sometimes, but I'm better than I was. I'm on oxygen 2 units at night and I use a nebulizer 4 times  daily.  Sometimes when I am having problems I drink a hot cup of tea and I mean hot and that seems to help me get started. I used to wheeze and cough but after losing weight I'm almost free of the wheeze and cough. I think losing weight has helped the most. I had high blood sugar but have quit the good things in life like a 3 lb bag of M & M, ice cream and the list goes on and on. My latest blood sugar was 107 and I am now off the medicine.

I'm sure woodworking dust does not help so everyone be careful please.

 

I also have allergies for years but I found a product that has helped me big time. It is PRETZ spray from PARNELL pharmaceuticals. Without this stuff I would be plugged up all the time.

 

Sorry about being long winded

 

Preston

4 hours ago, steamshovel said:

John: I have lost about 45 lbs. and that has helped. I have a hard time breathing sometimes, but I'm better than I was. I'm on oxygen 2 units at night and I use a nebulizer 4 times  daily.  Sometimes when I am having problems I drink a hot cup of tea and I mean hot and that seems to help me get started. I used to wheeze and cough but after losing weight I'm almost free of the wheeze and cough. I think losing weight has helped the most. I had high blood sugar but have quit the good things in life like a 3 lb bag of M & M, ice cream and the list goes on and on. My latest blood sugar was 107 and I am now off the medicine.

I'm sure woodworking dust does not help so everyone be careful please.

 

I also have allergies for years but I found a product that has helped me big time. It is PRETZ spray from PARNELL pharmaceuticals. Without this stuff I would be plugged up all the time.

 

Sorry about being long winded

 

Preston

Long winded is fine Preston, I have not had a chance to speak with other COPD sufferers, and the information you provided just gave me a look further and deep into the disease. We are trying to get the right meds and system in place for mom now so she can get comfortable.

Thanks for your information Preston, and I am so glad you kind of got a handle on it since losing weight, congratulations on that major hurdle!

On 2/10/2017 at 10:20 PM, Gerald said:

By the way since we are talking allergies . As we get older and a number of us are retired, we become sensitized to things we are exposed to. This sensitization can occur after one exposure or after 1000 exposures. The sensitization may be mild such as nasal congestion or all the way to an anaphylactic reaction causing death. For most of us it is gradual and cumulative, meaning slow onset .

      So the warning is to protect yourself before the sensitization occurs.

 

I'm so with you there...exposure to work should have killed me by now. 

 

As a CPAP wearer, I would't have a moment's hesitation about wearing a full facial mask as long as it didn't fog up (or my glasses)....   I would try to find some way to afford the full mask and pump...just me.

Edited February 12, 20179 yr by p_toad