I do not own one

[Woke up with wood]

I have watched Shopsmith's  get listed for sale, and watched the price go down to the price of a cheap blade before they finally sale.. There is finally a model slightly different than the common models..  This one (see pic) is listed as a model 10er. I have no idea if that's correct.. for those who know more than I,,, Would this model  be worth more due to it's oddballness? If I am going to buy one,, I'd like to get something a littler different.. What info is available? Is it gooder?? OR badder?? 

 

 

[lew]

@Artie, @John Morris, @kmealy, @Gordon

[Gordon]

I’m not really a Shopsmith expert but this one looks like a model 10ER. My dad had one when I was growing up and we always thought it was ancient back then. I would use it to make simple things with it. It taught me about gear ratios and a very strong respect for unprotected sharp spinning objects.

If you’re looking for something to clean up and sell (assuming for a profit) I’d say look at something else, I doubt there is a huge market for these. If you want an old school tool in your shop, I’m pretty certain it could be restored and made useful again however if it was me, I’d look at a Mark V. The Mark V will still have that old school feel but faster setups. 
Gordon 

[smitty10101]

10er---owned one for quite a while. Might have been a 10E?!?

gave it away when I moved.

IIRC the 10er or 10E was a Montgomery Ward  version. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

The 10ER used a 8 inch blade.

It was difficult(expensive) to get a replacement motor.

The standard motor had the start capacitor on the side while mounted.

"Standard" motors had the capacitor on the bottom when mounted. That difference necessitated the whole machine to be shimmed to allow the motor to fit.

The one you show is missing the protective cover over the pulley. 

The carriage on mine ALWAYS was a bear to move. the lock mechanism would not fully release and I often had to nudge it with a hammer.

Raising and lowering the table was hit and miss. Gravity worked for you and against you.

Table was on the smallish side.

 

My best remembrance of the machine was it was a dream for horizonal drilling.

 

Those  oddities were all that comes readily to mind.

 

If I HAD to do it over again I'd get a newer one that has a rack and pinion raise and lowering mechanism. and speed control built in.   

[Grandpadave52]

@Gene Howe; thoughts?

 

@HARO50 thoughts?; don't you have a 10ER?

Edited August 5 by Grandpadave52

[Woke up with wood]

4 hours ago, Gordon said:

I’m not really a Shopsmith expert but this one looks like a model 10ER. My dad had one when I was growing up and we always thought it was ancient back then. I would use it to make simple things with it. It taught me about gear ratios and a very strong respect for unprotected sharp spinning objects.

If you’re looking for something to clean up and sell (assuming for a profit) I’d say look at something else, I doubt there is a huge market for these. If you want an old school tool in your shop, I’m pretty certain it could be restored and made useful again however if it was me, I’d look at a Mark V. The Mark V will still have that old school feel but faster setups. 
Gordon 

Thank You, I found a forum with a bunch of dedicated fanatics and apparently my question has been asked and answered many times. This model, like many machines is just unknown to me. The price is now at $200 and I am afraid that it may be destined for the scrap yard. As much as I'd like to, I can't rescue every stray cat

[Grandpadave52]

Not a Shopsmith expert, owner, user etc. etc.

 

IIRC the 10ER was the first of the SS multi tool line? IMO, it would be good for horizontal drilling as Smitty noted or even better as a vertical drill press. Probably function OK as a entry level lathe or as a disc sander. Don't think I'd use it as a table saw. 

[John Morris]

I've wanted one for a wall mount drill press, they are pretty cool IMHO.

https://forum.shopsmith.com/viewtopic.php?t=12921&start=10

 

[HARO50]

1 hour ago, Grandpadave52 said:

@Gene Howe; thoughts?

 

@HARO50 thoughts?; don't you have a 10ER?

Ok, ok, I admit it! I not only own one, I love it! It is a solid machine, and serves as a decent lathe, horizontal boring machine and 10" disc sander. The table IS too small for most jobs, the blade doesn't tilt, and it does take some time to change over from one setup to another. I have a decent table saw and drill press, so I no longer use it for those jobs, but I love old tools that were designed to last forever, and this is one of them. It's as old as I am, but in MUCH better shape, even if it does weigh twice as much as I do.

[John Morris]

10 hours ago, Woke up with wood said:

What info is available? Is it gooder?? OR badder?? 

There is a ton of information on these Woke Up.

It all depends on what your thing is in the shop, personally I'd love to have one in the shop, I like old machinery, I love to tinker, I like using old things, I'm not making anything for the money so being fast at processing lumber is not a big deal for me, I'd have no problem playing with a 10er to get it just right and process lumber with it, and turn a few things on it, if I had the garage space I'd buy one, as stated above in my last post I'd like to have one for a dedicated drill press. 

I currently own a ShopSmith Mark V, and I like it, I'm happy. Also I'd like to use a Mark V headstock for a dedicated drill press too, you can mount those on the wall as well.

 

You can find those 10er's pretty cheap, in great shape too, there was a fully restored beautiful 10er near me a few months ago in the 400 dollar range, considering how cool awesome it looked, and the guy rebuilt all the internals, well worth the money in my opinion.

 

Not mine, but I am sure envious!

 

 

 

[John Morris]

6 minutes ago, HARO50 said:

Ok, ok, I admit it! I not only own one, I love it! It is a solid machine,

Right on John! Glad to hear, once we move to our forever home I gotta get me one!

[John Morris]

48 minutes ago, Woke up with wood said:

I found a forum with a bunch of dedicated fanatics

You must of found the Shopsmith Forum that's been around for about 200 years 

Oh wait, Al Gore didn't invent the web till the 90's, but hey, most the guys on that forum are approaching the aforementioned age!

Great bunch of guys over there. 

[Woke up with wood]

13 minutes ago, Grandpadave52 said:

Not a Shopsmith expert, owner, user etc. etc.

 

IIRC the 10ER was the first of the SS multi tool line? IMO, it would be good for horizontal drilling as Smitty noted or even better as a vertical drill press. Probably function OK as a entry level lathe or as a disc sander. Don't think I'd use it as a table saw. 

That seems to be a very common answer. This model makes a great drill press. I am not looking for one to use, this one just caught my eye  because I was only familiar with the MK V. Every time I see a SS on craigslist, I watch it. The price almost always starts between 500 and 1000, I watch it go down for around 2 months and the listing goes away after they sit at 200 for a while.. I hope someone buys and uses this one or even parts it out to keep others alive.. I don't even like to see scrap metal go to the scrap yard much less old machinery.. 

[Woke up with wood]

35 minutes ago, John Morris said:

I've wanted one for a wall mount drill press, they are pretty cool IMHO.

https://forum.shopsmith.com/viewtopic.php?t=12921&start=10

 

As I've been reading about these, it is a common theme that they make a great drill press.. This solves the floor space issue.. I had just talked myself out of buying one (for now).. This is why I should never listen to myself, I am always wrong. I can't stop thinking of all the uses for the fence and miter gauge on that table.. No getting clamps and scraps of wood, it's all right there.. I have even seen some retro-fits for drill presses adding a power table lift.. With the 2 tube design and all that access it would be easy.. I am going to hold off until I have a wall..  I already know the answer,, but am I stupid for seeing a horizontal cutting panel saw.. Just bolt a piece of angle iron to the floor to slide the material.. The top and bottom mounts may need to be swapped.. 

[Grandpadave52]

53 minutes ago, HARO50 said:

It's as old as I am, but in MUCH better shape

Didn't realize electricity had been around that long

[Woke up with wood]

43 minutes ago, John Morris said:

You must of found the Shopsmith Forum that's been around for about 200 years 

Oh wait, Al Gore didn't invent the web till the 90's, but hey, most the guys on that forum are approaching the aforementioned age!

Great bunch of guys over there. 

That's exactly what I found, I was trying to figure what site it was on but that's all it said in the address bar.. A lot of knowledge and passion there..

[Woke up with wood]

3 minutes ago, Grandpadave52 said:

Didn't realize electricity had been around that long

There was a time when Donkeys ruled. I think that aspect is what intrigues me the most.. So many of the old machines were originally designed to be powered from a common donkey shaft in a factory..  Home use wasn't even thought about....

[HARO50]

1 hour ago, Woke up with wood said:

There was a time when Donkeys ruled.

There's still quite a lot of them running for office! (Insert eye-roll emoji here.)

[Woke up with wood]

1 hour ago, John Morris said:

There is a ton of information on these Woke Up.

It all depends on what your thing is in the shop, personally I'd love to have one in the shop, I like old machinery, I love to tinker, I like using old things, I'm not making anything for the money so being fast at processing lumber is not a big deal for me, I'd have no problem playing with a 10er to get it just right and process lumber with it, and turn a few things on it, if I had the garage space I'd buy one, as stated above in my last post I'd like to have one for a dedicated drill press. 

I currently own a ShopSmith Mark V, and I like it, I'm happy. Also I'd like to use a Mark V headstock for a dedicated drill press too, you can mount those on the wall as well.

 

You can find those 10er's pretty cheap, in great shape too, there was a fully restored beautiful 10er near me a few months ago in the 400 dollar range, considering how cool awesome it looked, and the guy rebuilt all the internals, well worth the money in my opinion.

 

Not mine, but I am sure envious!

 

 

 

Right now my passion is restoring machines. For the past few years, most of the things I build are from branches that fall from the sky. Using raw logs doesn't require any straight lines so saws are just silly.. I did just (almost) finish a mail box post and I do think about making some cabinet doors and countertops, but I like the tear-down and rebuild of the old machines more than the things I should be doing.. If/when you decide to tear that SS down,, Let me know if you want some powder coating done,, I'm just up the street (Hwy5 OR 99)   around 500 miles

[Woke up with wood]

20 hours ago, HARO50 said:

There's still quite a lot of them running for office! (Insert eye-roll emoji here.)

And way too many of them IN office