chance to comment on "flesh sensing technology" legislation

[kmealy]

Here you go:

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/05/12/2017-09098/safety-standard-addressing-blade-contact-injuries-on-table-saws#open-comment

[Stick486]

Done...

[Al B]

Comments have been sent. This appears to me to be a furthering of Mr. Gass's attempt to force his SawStop technology on everyone.

[Stick486]

1 hour ago, It Was Al B said:

Comments have been sent. This appears to me to be a furthering of Mr. Gass's attempt to force his SawStop technology on everyone.

 

saw it as the same...

[CharlieL]

I'll never buy one, nor could you give me one for a several reasons. 

Edited July 19, 2017 by CharlieL

[Nickp]

...gee...AT&T used to have a monopoly...and others...it's just a matter of time...

 

"If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by." (Sun Tzu)

[schnewj]

22 hours ago, Nickp said:

...gee...AT&T used to have a monopoly...and others...it's just a matter of time...

 

"If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by." (Sun Tzu)

 

In the case of Flesh Sensing Technology, some of us will be dead before the patents expire and other alternatives to the SS become available. My only hope is, that, the river is very swift and the corpse comes quickly!

[Grandpadave52]

42 minutes ago, schnewj said:

My only hope is, that, the river is very swift and the corpse comes quickly!

SNORK!!!

[kmealy]

On 7/18/2017 at 8:15 PM, It Was Al B said:

Comments have been sent. This appears to me to be a furthering of Mr. Gass's attempt to force his SawStop technology on everyone.

Well, to sell it to everyone at monopoly prices.  It's hard to say how much the new owner is going to continue along the same lines.

 

''The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers,''  Wm. Shakespeare  in ''Henry VI,'' Part II, act IV, Scene II,

[Al B]

I could be wrong, but I believe Gass only sold the manufacturing business for the SawStop. He still owns the patent rights, and thus, still controls the marketing.

[Fred W. Hargis Jr]

It took me a while to compose my thoughts on this, and i have submitted them. Thanks for the link.

[kmealy]

On 7/19/2017 at 10:27 AM, Nickp said:

...gee...AT&T used to have a monopoly...and others...it's just a matter of time...

 

"If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by." (Sun Tzu)

IIRC, AT&T voluntarily gave up their monopoly so that they could enter into other competitive markets.   During that time I was with one of the "baby bells,"  Cincinnati Bell that itself has ventured into cell phone (failed), internet (doing ok), fioptics, IPTV, electrical provider, and call center services (spun off Convergys)

[kmealy]

http://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodworking-blogs/proposed-safety-rules-table-saws-comments-requested?utm_content=buffer2c63c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[kmealy]

There is a story about a lawyer who'd visit a farm B&B every summer.   One year he showed up and the farmer's teenage daughter had a baby.  Knowing what happened the prior summer, he asked if it was his. 

"Yes," the farmer said.

"Well you should have contacted me.   I'm an honorable man and would have married your daughter to help keep her honor," said the lawyer.

"Well, we talked about it and decided we'd rather have a bastard child in the family than a lawyer," answered the farmer.

[PostalTom]

I posted my comments.  If anyone is interested, this is what I wrote.

 

Currently, there is only one manufacturer making table saws with flesh sensing technology.  Passage of this rule would unreasonably create a monopoly on the manufacture and sale of new table saws.  This rule is also unreasonable when compared to helmet requirements for motorcycle riders.  There is no federal rule requiring helmets for motorcycle riders, although this is life saving, not finger saving technology.  This decision is left up to the state and individual rider.  This should be the same for table saws.  I would support a requirement for table saw manufacturers to offer flesh sensing technology as a separate model, or an after-market retro-fit package, but do not restrict them to only offering saws with this technology.

[PeteM]

16 hours ago, PostalTom said:

This rule is also unreasonable when compared to helmet requirements for motorcycle riders.  There is no federal rule requiring helmets for motorcycle riders, although this is life saving, not finger saving technology.  This decision is left up to the state and individual rider.  This should be the same for table saws. .

So if we can convince the Hell's Angels to take up woodworking, society improves.

[John Morris]

All of this goes against my fabric, being a choice type of person I am, and yes, I don't like seat belt or helmet laws either, and I don't like the guberment telling you that you can't smoke in your own car either if kids are present, I'm not saying any of those items I just mentioned aren't wise to practice in the first place, but it should be left up to the individual.

 

I remember when the helmet law was put in place in our state, guess what industry suffered, organ donor industry! Yep, bikers were one of the largest groups of motorists to donate organs before the helmet law came into affect. Hey, if you want to ride with out a helmet, I respect that, if you want to buckle up in your OWN car, and your kids, great, if not, it's on you. If I rode motorcycles anymore and did not have a family to support, and if I could, it'd be without a helmet. My choice, bad or good, it's all mine.

[kmealy]

Tomorrow, July 26 is the last day to comment.

 

Found an interesting note from PTI (Power Tool Institute):
“The company behind the campaign to force consumers to pay more for table saws is SawStop, previously owned by patent attorney Stephen Gass, and recently acquired by TTS Tooltechnic Systems. Mr. Gass holds an extensive network of over 100 U.S. patents (with more than 140 patent applications filed). Mr. Gass has represented that SawStop's patent web would be infringed by any alternative flesh detection technology, including technologies developed by PTI member companies. Since Mr. Gass introduced his SawStop technology in 2000, no manufacturer has been successful in licensing it. Therefore, should CPSC adopt a mandatory rule, the agency could be creating a monopolistic advantage in the marketplace, generating millions of dollars for Mr. Gass, while leaving consumers out to dry.”

[Al B]

Stephen Gass has continually  fought to prevent other manufacturers from selling their better designed safety technology. Though he presents himself as one interested in the safety of those who use tablesaws, he has continuously demonstrated that his primary interest is to increase his wealth, without regard to safety. He has continually fought to have his technology mandated.

[kmealy]

100+ patents,  140 submitted!