1 hour ago, Cliff said:

I don't use the word like that. I say the clergy is the only profession.

Well there is one other "trade" I've always heard associated with the term profession long before Cosell. It's about 180⁰ from the clergy but considered the "world's oldest." Just sayin' 

I think the use of the word profession is waaay older than Howard.

 

Word Origin and History for profession

n.

c.1200, "vows taken upon entering a religious order," from Old French profession (12c.), from Latin professionem (nominative professio) "public declaration," from past participle stem of profiteri "declare openly" (see profess ). Meaning "any solemn declaration" is from mid-14c. Meaning "occupation one professes to be skilled in" is from early 15c.; meaning "body of persons engaged in some occupation" is from 1610; as a euphemism for "prostitution" (e.g. oldest profession) it is recorded from 1888.

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2 hours ago, It Was Al B said:

I surely don't hate you Cliff.

 

I know.   no worries mate.

I've always thought or felt that a carpenter works less an artist then he does as an engineer. A skilled carpenter should be able to lay out and build a strong structure that 1) suits its intended purpose 2) Stands up to the elements and the rigors of the load it is designed to support and 3) is aesthetically pleasing. Most of a carpenters best work will be hidden under drywall, paint, siding and shingles. If your house doesn't leak, have drafts, walls that are out of square or a floor that is not level you have hired a good carpenter.

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A wood worker in my opinion will deal with finer details and more often tackle a project with an artistic approach to show off his work. A chair and a sub floor both function to support a load where the sub floor is covered with flooring and dressed up a chairs joinery will always be exposed to some extent and the details readily available for inspection. A wood worker will work to make his project structurally sound but also visually appealing and eye catching.

 

I started woodworking about 20 years ago about 7 years ago my wife and I decided to do some remodeling and add on to our house. It took me a lot of explaining to her that no I couldn't do the framing work as I really had no idea how some of it is done. In her mind it didn't make sense that I had all these tools to work wood with but I couldn't turn lumber into room.

 

It's always been fascinating to me that Jesus was a carpenter. Many who don't understand that a woodworker and a carpenter aren't one and the same will get a pictures in their head of Jesus building tables and chairs and stuff.  I would imagine that in those times carpenters did framing with heavy timbers mainly to support stone and adobe walls.  

Hmmm,I wonder where I'd fit in all of this?

Just now, steven newman said:

Hmmm,I wonder where I'd fit in all of this?

I would venture to say Steve when you were active in the building trades, you were in the class of carpenters that @Steve Krumanaker described earlier. Based on the discussions I've had with you in the past, over the years, you're an old salt. You are also a woodworker as many have described here as well.

my college degree was in Mechanical Engineering.  for 24 years i held a Professional Engineer license from one or two states.  i know the basics of framing and have done interior framing and drywall.  i also have taught myself to do fine woodworking, having built 2 entire kitchens, several bathroom vanities, several pieces of furniture from scratch, turned bowls, made cutting boards, boxes, and other little projects.

 

i made my money doing engineering, i've saved money by being able to do basic framing (not having to hire someone else), and i've spent a fortune building my personal workshop that mostly is a money losing hobby that i enjoy.

 

if you caught me early one morning and asked me what i want to do that day:  earn money doing engineering or spend the day in the shop making a piece of furniture for our house, the answer is easy:  see you in the shop.

 

there is little call for experienced engineers, and there is little demand for custom woodworking.  eh, i'm happy, my bills are paid.

I built my home when I was 18 years old. I never had any experience with carpenter work. I just did it my way. I wasted a lot of 2x4's making my corners. I would not trade my home for anyone else's home. I fell very safe when a storm comes my way. Same with my woodworking. I just do it my way. I still love building things.

1 hour ago, Kevin Beitz said:

I built my home when I was 18 years old. I never had any experience with carpenter work. I just did it my way. I wasted a lot of 2x4's making my corners. I would not trade my home for anyone else's home. I fell very safe when a storm comes my way. Same with my woodworking. I just do it my way. I still love building things.

Kevin I don't think they had codes for builders in the 1920's unless I'm wrong...

Woodworker could be anything.  A loosely used term by the internet..

 

I was on Woodnet when a pretty good worker took a position at a cabinet shop. He didn't understand the pace a cabinet makers work at and left after a week. It's production ....

 

 

Edited November 17, 20196 yr by BillyJack

I saw a lot of guys come, and go when I worked at Liberty Coach.

You had to be good, and you had to be fast. 

3 hours ago, BillyJack said:

Kevin I don't think they had codes for builders in the 1920's unless I'm wrong...

Not that I remember anyway....

 

 

8 minutes ago, Kevin Beitz said:

Not that I remember anyway....

 

 

Dont worry I'm getting there.....