May 6, 20179 yr Maybe I should be happy that they placed the crown up on these boards... Continuing with the upstairs remodel and the two bedrooms. In the one room, the particle board underlayment was quite wavy and so not level. I decided I would pull it up and lay a new layer of 3/4" t&g OSB underlayment. After pulling the particle board up it was very obvious to me that the subfloor had been rained on during construction 30 years ago. It was pretty wavy and soft in a couple spots. I decided to pull a couple pieces of the subfloor and install some canned LEDs in the living room below. Two of the 2x12 floor joists were cut nearly all the way through. I guess they did that to eliminate a high spot? It is not evident in the ceiling downstairs. In any event, I scabbed a piece of 2x10 across them and installed bridging. Years ago I had paid good money to have that space insulated with blown in insulation. Pretty evident that didn't get done properly either So, installing insulation, scabs, bridging, screwing down the subfloor, leveling and screwing down the new underlayment I moved onto bedroom #2. Not quite as bad to begin with, the floor was pretty level and the particle board in "ok" shape - but I pulled it anyway. Only one joist cut, and pretty much zero insulation... Cal Edited November 19, 20178 yr by Ron Dudelston Added tags
May 6, 20179 yr Cal, you've run into a lot of work you probably hadn't anticipated. But, I'll bet you're glad you did.
May 6, 20179 yr Author Building inspector? We don't need no stinkin' government building inspector looking over our shoulder!!! Building codes? We don't need no stinkin' government building codes either!!! In this area 30 years ago I think it "might" have been somewhat normal for the building inspector to give a "nod & a wink" to a contractor friend who obtained a building permit to build a house "for themselves". After completion the for sale sign would go up; probably because the contractor's wife changed her mind regarding location/colors/style or whatever, and the process would be repeated. I hope it is not like that today. Gene, you are correct that I did not anticipate quite this much. And I am happy to be correcting it as I move along. In that first bedroom there was a full 3/4" dip in one area I had to correct to level up the floor! And yet, the ceiling below it is pretty level. The only explanation I have at this time is that it was constructed with that wavy floor and simply masked with a thick carpet & padding. Cal
May 6, 20179 yr Author 26 minutes ago, Stick486 said: man... I don't think I have ever seen Stick speechless, or nearly so Cal
May 6, 20179 yr Well, at least they put them in cut up...! ! ! What a mess... Glad you found it to repair it...
May 7, 20179 yr Well Cal, I guess you can be thankful too that they used 2x12's instead of 2x8's or 10's. What was your reasoning to insulate between first & second floors previously? Sound attenuation?
May 7, 20179 yr Author Dave, we have two heat pumps. One for downstairs and one for the upstairs. It is normal (for me) to only have one system operating during the spring & fall. Sound attenuation would be a bonus, and I reckon I now know why I never got much of that!!! Cal
May 8, 20179 yr On 5/6/2017 at 9:21 AM, Fred W. Hargis Jr said: Unbelievable..... The cut joists or Stick being speechless? John
May 8, 20179 yr The joists, but after I posted that I realized it wasn't so unbelievable. I haven't come across that circumstance (cut joists) but have found plenty of things that were just as stupidly done. in the couple of houses I've had around here. Mnay of them were electrical in nature, but some of it was basic construction as well. But if you give it some thought, it is unbelievable that Stick may be speechless. Edited May 8, 20179 yr by Fred W. Hargis Jr
May 8, 20179 yr After seeing the nearly total rehab job that Stick posted a while back, I'm sure he could say plenty.
May 8, 20179 yr 8 hours ago, Fred W. Hargis Jr said: it is unbelievable that Stick may be speechless. you guys said it all for me... 7 hours ago, Gene Howe said: After seeing the nearly total rehab job that Stick posted a while back, I'm sure he could say plenty. about 80% my business was rehab and setting things right... those cut joists were novice level... 5 hours ago, HARO50 said: He just can't talk with a mouthfull of donuts! John cherry crumb cake w/ eyes on the peach strudel... Edited May 8, 20179 yr by Stick486
May 8, 20179 yr 2 hours ago, Stick486 said: about 80% my business was rehab and setting things right... those cut joists were novice level... I'll bet he thought he was the greatest while he was doing it. Wonder where he learned that trick?
May 8, 20179 yr From my experience in housing it was plumbers and electricians cutting out joist and rafters to run pipes and wires. the faveorite was cutting off and leaving the joist under the toilet hang on the subfloor. or the electrician who hated to go around corners and cut the studs half way thru to run wires, or the sparky that cut a 1" notch out of the studs the length of the wall to run the wires.. Another one remodeling an old house cut the studs behind the hi base boards to add outlet wiring then put the base board back on. Herb
May 8, 20179 yr when a lot of that happens the studs are suppose to get stud shoes... the joists are suppose to be box framed to the joists to either side of the cut member to form a chase and those joists to either side getting sistered w/ full sized/length joists or two additional continuous joists need to be installed, one to either side of the cut joist and the cut joist getting headered to the supplemental joist..
May 8, 20179 yr 1 hour ago, HandyDan said: I'll bet he thought he was the greatest while he was doing it. Wonder where he learned that trick? step one of a standard operating procedure... some body taught him... internet... but he only forgot one small item.. step two.. sisters...
May 9, 20179 yr Author 1 hour ago, Stick486 said: when a lot of that happens the studs are suppose to get stud shoes... the joists are suppose to be box framed to the joists to either side of the cut member to form a chase and those joists to either side getting sistered w/ full sized/length joists or two additional continuous joists need to be installed, one to either side of the cut joist and the cut joist getting headered to the supplemental joist.. It might be late, or it might be that brew I had with supper, but I do not understand this Stick. Nevermind the stud shoes, I am not there yet. What is box framed? And what is meant by getting headered to the supplemental joist? As I read, and re-read; and re-read your reply - sure seems like it would have been much simpler to put new joists in during construction. Cal
May 9, 20179 yr Author And to follow up my findings in bedroom #2. Where I had seen one joist cut... that joist was cut in 3 places! And, a joist beside it was also cut; down to 1.25"!!! But, I know why the ceiling does not reflect it in the room below - I can put my finger between the ceiling drywall and that particular joist (the one cut in three places). Cal
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