Suggestions needed for a shop set-up dilemma

[Drumone]

I'm finally getting to tear up my garage walls and turn the space into a functional shop. I know that specific placement of tools is completely a personal choice and I'm going to give that a LOT of thought before I run the wiring. What I'm unsure about is what to do about the slope of my floor. From the back wall (inside) to the garage door (outside wall) there is a 4" drop in height. That slope happens in about 19.75'. It's enough that I notice it when I walk and for me to lock the wheels on anything that rolls. I've included a (poorly drawn) diagram of my possible layout for reference.

 

I'd like to have one long table that will serve the radial arm, band saw, and sliding miter. I hope to put in tracks, tape measure strips, and stop locks for the radial and sliding miter saws.

 

Here are my questions:

1. Do I ignore the slope on the left side and just create one long table that follows the slope front to back?

OR

2. Do I create a level table, along with leveling the tools, on the left side? The radial arm and band saws have their own stands. I will have to build a separate station for the sliding miter.

 

3. What's the best way to level the workbench in the back? My workbench consists of some old cabinets I procured from my college, along with a very thick/heavy countertop. This has to be precisely level in every direction. For my sanity, I can't have things rolling off the bench every time I set them down. 

 

4. Is there anything in my tentative layout that I shouldn't do?

Shop Layout.pdf

[Fred W. Hargis Jr]

I wouldn't ignore the slope. It will be a little unhandy to have the left side surfaces 4" taller at one end, but beats the rolling around things will do. So I would want the left side level the length of the room. That might be tricky with multiple stands, but can be done. As for the workbench cabinets, I think i would build a sub base (treated lumber) that sits level, and install the cabinets on that. That sub base could be as simple as just a riser along the front edge of the cabinets, or a little more complicated frame. Cutting the tapers in the wood (front to back) might be the hardest part if you do a frame.

[smitty10101]

my 2 cents

 

At all costs make SOMETHING exactly level, side to side & front to back.

the worst thing imaginable is to assemble a cabinet and find out you "forgot" to take into account the slope that you were assembling it on.

 

Have a relative that did that and boy was he annoyed with the outcome ( to say the least)

 

as to laying out a long work bench and/or work station, a laser will help out immensely. Shoot a line, mark it, build to the line.

 

Your left wall--- I would make all the work surfaces of the 3 saws the exact same plane as it will facilitate cutting the occasional extra long piece of wood.

 

Fred's advice of making sub bases is golden!! and less of a head scratching event.

 

again just my 2 cents.

[Gunny]

Good points above.  I'd would add that if you want several tools on a single plane you will need to align the work surfaces.  A miter saw can sit below the plane by its height so the actual cutting surface is level with the plane.  I will look for some pictures this evening as example.

 

Work flow changes over time. I know several of us have posted about changing things from 1st try.  Keep that in mind.  

 

Keep everything you can mobile.  Yes it's a pain but moving stuff around with no wheels is a Royal PITA.

 

A shop evolves as does our skillset.  Plan ahead.

 

 

 

[DAB]

could you build a sub-floor that is level, topped with plywood?  or is height limited?  think indoor deck.

[4DThinker]

I'm with DAB. A wood floor will also be more comfortable than a concrete slab. Fix that slope with a level wood deck and never worry about dealing with the floor slope again.  The floor could also be a place to run power to the center of the shop where you can power tools that work best out in the open like a table saw. 4D

[DAB]

4 inches in about 20 feet is very doable.  yeah, you'll have to buy some lumber, 2x6 and 2x4, might even have to use a laser or water level to get the right heights, and there will be some cutting of lumber to create long wedges, but in a few days, you have a level floor, you can run power under the floor so you won't have to step on extension cords later, and it'll look lovely.  what's a week of work for a payoff of 20+ years of happiness?  or if you have a 6 or 8 foot level, you could do this in parts, working your way from the back (zero thickness lumber, or 1" to give the plywood something to screw to) out to the front door, 8 feet at a time, last board will be about 4 feet long.  you may also want to use some scrap to build a portable ramp to get things in and out later that are heavy.  i'd go 16" on center, and if you know about where the TS will end up, beef that area up a bit since they are quite heavy.  or just put it on top of a second layer of plywood, just the size of the leg's foot print.

[JWD]

I had a garage shop for years, and never really noticed the slope, but I also tended to orient my bench and miter saw table parallel to the slope rather than down it.  I don't know if the slope was less than yours, it might have been.

 

If I wanted everything perfectly level, I would probably build a raised floor as suggested.  Even if you have a limited height available you can do it with 2x4's laid flat as sleepers, shimmed level every couple feet.  Just put a strip of tarpaper down as a moisture barrier between the wood and the concrete.  In the long run, I think this would be far less work than building stuff specific to that slope.  I tend to think I wouldn't like having a table shorter on the up slope side either, but probably one gets used to that as I got used to everything being slightly tilted.  I don't remember ever noticing it really.

[Fred W. Hargis Jr]

Will that area be dedicated to the shop...or will it have to share space with a vehicle on occasion????

[PeteM]

I never made any allowances for floor slope (and garages are sloped by Code), and never really noticed any effects.  The typical floor is about 1 degree off level, but I don't recall ever having a problem with that.  I've never measured the cross or transverse slope (side to side instead of front to back), but I suspect it's pretty close to zero.  I have a rolling bench, and if slope was critical I guess I could just orient the bench transversely to the slope, but I suppose any tool set on a garage floor will have one direction sloped at a degree, and the other direction pretty flat.

And good luck with the layout, but don't marry it.  I think everyone changes layouts over time.

Edited 10 hours ago by PeteM

[Drumone]

@Fred W. Hargis Jr You got it! I will need to pull vehicles in to do maintenance and repairs. I do my own work out of necessity and that's not likely to ever change. I also desperately want to prove my wife wrong by getting the car in the garage during the winter. She's convinced it'll never happen and I'm dead set on proving her wrong.   Time will tell.

 

I think I will go with your suggestion of building a small frame for the workbench. I have plenty of left over cut-offs and OSB from the shed project that would work perfectly. 

 

@Gunny I already have everything on wheels now. I used to have a 12'x12' shed as my shop/storage space. Everything got rolled out to work in the yard and then I played Tetris to put everything back. I posted a video of the space here a while back. 

 

As for the single plane for multiple machines, I'm thinking level is the way to go. The higher and lower ends will be a little weird at first, but I think it will make things easier in the long run. I also want to be able to cut long boards without opening the 16' garage door. Our part of Minnesota is frigid in the winter! When it's all said and done, I plan to have the garage fully insulated, heated, and cooled. That big door needs to open as infrequently as possible.

 

@smitty10101 Thanks for the laser suggestion! I think one of my neighbors recently mentioned they had one that I could borrow. Otherwise, it might be time for me to get one.

 

Thanks to everyone for your input, suggestions, and advice! I greatly appreciate it!