Two weeks ago, I asked you for your help with hauling a load of quartered sawn white oak 720 mi. round trip.  Frank Miller in IN did not have any but I found a mill only 200 miles away, Schaller Hardwood.  They had “no charge” to deliver the lumber 20 miles from my house to a distributor warehouse and $25.00 to deliver it from the warehouse to my house.  The driver parked his truck on my driveway and we hand lifted each board from the truck onto my pickup.  Then my wife and I hand carry each board into my basement shop.  I know that I purchased more than I needed but due to all of the supply-chain-issues, I only wanted to make one purchase.  290 bd ft weighing 1314 lbs.   4/4, 5/4, 6/4, and 8/4. The 6/4 are 12 ft long.  Organic gold.

 

Now the problem is purchasing drawer slides.  I wanted to use Blum undermount slides.  There are none.  CSH removed the BLUM undermount slides from their website.  Another site said 7 – 9 months.  I called a friend who is a professional cabinet maker.  He has a kitchen set of cabinets waiting for slides.  He placed an order in December and they are telling him they may arrive sometime in April.   His distributer suggested KV undermounts, but the distributor does not have any of those either.  He hopes to get a sample set from another site tomorrow.  I will look at these when they arrive and maybe we can place one order.  I am getting one 15” Blum set from my friend.  I will use this for the nightstand.   Thank you all for your support.  Danl

 

 

 

Danl while the boards are sitting there to be used why not stack them straight and sticker them between each board so they can get the same amount of air and move them inside out of the sun if you haven't done that yet. They look great!!

20 minutes ago, Smallpatch said:

Danl while the boards are sitting there to be used why not stack them straight and sticker them between each board so they can get the same amount of air and move them inside out of the sun if you haven't done that yet. They look great!!

Jesse, the stake is straight but not stickered.  My wife said that she was willing to help me move the boards once.  If I sticker them I will have to do it my self and I have limited space.  I am always making compromises because of limited space.  Just the way it is.  Thanks for the good ideas.   Danl

 

Nice score on the lumber. I always buy from CSH and surprised they don’t have them. This supply chain mess is really the pits. 

3 hours ago, Danl said:

  I know that I purchased more than I needed but due to all of the supply-chain-issues, I only wanted to make one purchase.  290 bd ft weighing 1314 lbs.   4/4, 5/4, 6/4, and 8/4. The 6/4 are 12 ft long.  Organic gold.

The lumber looks great Dan and cool beans everything worked out even better than you planned. Good investment even if you think you over purchased. Probably not going to be cheaper for a good while if ever. Plus you'll have material from the same lot so matching all pieces will be must better. Should you choose to make an additional piece for this set, you'll be able to match grain.

 

3 hours ago, Danl said:

Now the problem is purchasing drawer slides.  I wanted to use Blum undermount slides.  There are none.  CSH removed the BLUM undermount slides from their website.  Another site said 7 – 9 months.  I called a friend who is a professional cabinet maker.  He has a kitchen set of cabinets waiting for slides.  He placed an order in December and they are telling him they may arrive sometime in April.

I read on another site a while back, no one has the Blum undermounts. As you are already finding, undermounts of almost any brand are scarce as hen's teeth. Hope you can find what you need soon and don't have to mortgage the house for them.

 

Looking forward to you sharing the build.

Edited March 1, 20224 yr by Grandpadave52

Oh, one other thing. Something is missing in your first picture??

Let me see...where's your SNOW?

@Danl I believe Amazon has the Blum  bottom slides available.

That is a nice stack of lumber, for sure.  And, finding them close enough and delivered was quite the bonus I my book.

I've never used undermount slides.  Is there a big advantage to them, or why not change the plans to side mounts?

I have a dresser to build this summer, drawer slides were requested.  What am I missing out on?

From what I've read in some other posts, the undermounts are very hard to find right now. There are some other names besides Blum, KV makes great ones, as does Hettick. But they all seem to be in short supply. A lot of stock (commercial) cabinets are built with undermount slides, wonder what those guys are doing. BTW, I just visited Frank Millers retail store yesterday, and you're right they seem to be out of qtr. sawn WO. The racks in the store had barely a handful of boards. In fact quite a few species seemed to be in short supply. When leaving I noticed the mill had a big sign advertising for production workers, which may be part of the problem...but the log yard looked to be fairly low on stock as well.

Edited March 1, 20224 yr by Fred W. Hargis Jr

@Danl, The scarcity of Blum undermounts just might be a blessing in disguise, Dan. We used them, the soft close/self closing model, when we remodeled our kitchen about 18 years ago. They were a ROYAL PITA to install! If you can, try to get some PDF installation instructions before you place your order. That may help you decide. 

Edited March 1, 20224 yr by Gene Howe

Dave didn't you know Danl lived in Texas and it don't ever snow here!
 

10 hours ago, Al B said:

@Danl I believe Amazon has the Blum  bottom slides available.

I will have to take a look.  I do know there are a few out there.  Most are the short lengths and/or the slides are for 3/4" thick drawers.  I see where some suppliers are selling kits and marking up the price,  Thanks Al for the comment.   Danl

2 hours ago, Cal said:

That is a nice stack of lumber, for sure.  And, finding them close enough and delivered was quite the bonus I my book.

I've never used undermount slides.  Is there a big advantage to them, or why not change the plans to side mounts?

I have a dresser to build this summer, drawer slides were requested.  What am I missing out on?

I'm not a purest, but the undermount gives you a cleaner look and allows you to see the side of the drawer and the dovetails.   The soft close is what all the ladies want.  I have the KV side-mounted soft close in my kitchen.  My wife likes them.   Danl

1 hour ago, Gene Howe said:

@Danl, The scarcity of Blum undermounts just might be a blessing in disguise, Dan. We used them, the soft close/self closing model, when we remodeled our kitchen about 18 years ago. They were a ROYAL PITA to install! If you can, try to get some PDF installation instructions before you place your order. That may help you decide. 

I have the PDFs and the help of a professional cabinet maker.  Blum under mounts is only what he uses (I have no experience with them).  I did use the KV side-mounted soft close drawer slides when I built my kitchen cabinets and found that the soft close slides are much more finicky and every thing has to be square more so than when using the non-soft close slides.  I used 28" slides for my pantry and they gave me a lot of problems because the cabinet was not as square as the slides demanded.

 

I plan to experiment with them.  The installation material says to have 5/16" between the outside of the drawer and the inside of the frame stile or the inside of the cabinet.  I want to see if I can make the dimn. 1/16" so that it will give the appearance of not having a slide and the drawer is sliding on the inner runners.  If this does not work, I will do it by the book.  Thank you for your comments.  Danl  

2 hours ago, Fred W. Hargis Jr said:

From what I've read in some other posts, the undermounts are very hard to find right now. There are some other names besides Blum, KV makes great ones, as does Hettick. But they all seem to be in short supply. A lot of stock (commercial) cabinets are built with undermount slides, wonder what those guys are doing. BTW, I just visited Frank Millers retail store yesterday, and you're right they seem to be out of qtr. sawn WO. The racks in the store had barely a handful of boards. In fact quite a few species seemed to be in short supply. When leaving I noticed the mill had a big sign advertising for production workers, which may be part of the problem...but the log yard looked to be fairly low on stock as well.

When I stated looking, Frank Miller website listed all of the lumber available (Jan 2022) and they indicated that they had 139,000 bd ft of white oak.  When I called them approx. 10 days ago, they had 2000 bd ft of 8/4 quartered.  4/4, 5/4, & 6/4 quartered white oak was sold out.   Where did it all go?   Danl

Well, they are a very large distributor to commercial shops and businesses, but that's a huge amount of lumber to sell that quick...so short answer, IDK. It may be they still have some drying and they are waiting on it.

I used regular slides undermount on the Coffee Bar. Drawers are small at 12x16 and just used one slide on each. They are within a face frame and no problems so far

16 hours ago, Gerald said:

I used regular slides undermount on the Coffee Bar. Drawers are small at 12x16 and just used one slide on each. They are within a face frame and no problems so far

 

I remembered your coffee bar Gerald, a great piece.

A quick search of "coffee bar"... do y'all have any idea how often coffee comes up in that search?

Anyhow, for anyone like myself that wanted to see Gerald's project:

 

 

I've come to like using white oak, but generally the quarter sawn boards.  The face grain bothers/bores me so much I'll usually rip it in strips, tip the strips 90 degrees and glue them back together. That helps stabilize the boards and reduces their expansion/contraction rate.  I had a pallet made from gnarly looking white oak boards.  I salvaged what I could of it and cleaned it up to find some of the prettiest grain I've seen.  I've slowly used it up on small table tops just to show it off.   

As for stickering the board stack I'll recommend it too. I don't know how many times my furniture design students came back after a weekend to discover their project boards have bowed up. They get very upset and don't generally believe me that the bow will go out if they sticker their board stack so air can get to both sides. With no other choice but to try they usually find their boards have flattened out again after a few days.  

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