Popular Post steven newman Posted October 24, 2020 Popular Post Report Posted October 24, 2020 So..sitting around, half awake, watching the Woodwright's Shop re-runs....came upon one was Chris Schwarz showing off how the old sty;e "Campaign Furniture" was made....there was a corner joint he was demonstrating how to make....Didn't look like much on the outside.. Just a half lap joint? Until he showed the inside of the corner... Mine is in Pine, had a bit of some chip out....out the joint up just a bit... Dovetails?...could be... Yep, a bit of chip out going on there...May try the other 3 corners, and do a bit of Pract-izing... The only power tool involved, was the bandsaw, had a scrap of Pine 1 x 6, line of nail holes along one edge, big old knot on the other edge...ripped those off, then had to joint the sawn edge straight, had to make some shavings. To make all the edges the same... Jack plane is the one I just finished re-handling....seems to work nicely enough... Crosscuts? Yep, it was busy, today....then some shoulder cuts were needed... Saw down to the line, and stop....take the oard to the bench.. Wide chisel to pop the waste off, (Schwarz used a rebate plane, meh) Clean up with the chisel... Rebates are done...lay outs are next.. Marked as to which is the waste side of the lines...turn this around, so I can see better, and do a bit of sawing.. Now, you see that Red Devil putty knife? That gets hammered down into the kerf. Since the saw can't quite reach into the back corners... Chopping block....and chop out the waste....the other "half" of this joint also needs sawn, and chopped, half blind style....( first time through, I made the mistake of cutting the tails as a through dovetail joint... Cut the mistake off ( and the other end piece to match)...try again... Back to the saw, chop and fit...had to trace around the "pins" to layout the tails...Then check the result....had to use the mallet to assemble things... Have 3 more corners to work over...maybe I'll get this figured out by then Stay tuned... . Thad, Gerald, DuckSoup and 8 others 11 Quote
lew Posted October 24, 2020 Report Posted October 24, 2020 Cool! I recently saw a video where the author used a similar tool to finish the cuts from the saw. Neat idea. FlGatorwood, Cal and steven newman 3 Quote
Popular Post FlGatorwood Posted October 24, 2020 Popular Post Report Posted October 24, 2020 Steve, that is a clever and strong joint. I wish you could do a YouTube of your process. I would like to see each corner just to see how differently you did each one and what you learn and implement on each successive corner. Thanks for sharing this. It appears to be much too complicated for me, but I greatly admire your work, challenging the process and overcoming. You are an encouragement to us all. steven newman, Gunny, lew and 3 others 5 1 Quote
Popular Post lew Posted October 24, 2020 Popular Post Report Posted October 24, 2020 Is this type of dovetail called a "blind dovetail" Cal, steven newman, FlGatorwood and 2 others 5 Quote
steven newman Posted October 24, 2020 Author Report Posted October 24, 2020 38 minutes ago, lew said: Is this type of dovetail called a "blind dovetail" that is what Schwarz called it... Artie, Cal, FlGatorwood and 1 other 3 1 Quote
lew Posted October 24, 2020 Report Posted October 24, 2020 Thanks steven newman, FlGatorwood and Cal 3 Quote
Gunny Posted October 25, 2020 Report Posted October 25, 2020 Why did they call it Campaign style? steven newman, DuckSoup, Cal and 1 other 4 Quote
Popular Post kmealy Posted October 25, 2020 Popular Post Report Posted October 25, 2020 3 hours ago, lew said: Cool! I recently saw a video where the author used a similar tool to finish the cuts from the saw. Neat idea. I saw Rob Cosman do this. He'd even made a special tool to do it. I first saw this demonstrated by Tage Frid when I was a newbie woodworker. Cal, FlGatorwood, steven newman and 2 others 4 1 Quote
Popular Post kmealy Posted October 25, 2020 Popular Post Report Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, lew said: Is this type of dovetail called a "blind dovetail" Well, it certainly hides any gaps in your pins and tails. I believe it's called "campaign" because it's what the senior military officers carried their "field offices" in as it's generally made to be closed up and toted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_furniture Edited October 25, 2020 by kmealy Cal, steven newman, FlGatorwood and 2 others 3 2 Quote
Gerald Posted October 25, 2020 Report Posted October 25, 2020 Keith hit it and Chris does a lot of that type furniture. I think it is all over his house. It has brass corners and is very versatile. There is a chair that goes with it too. Has a one piece leather seat and taken apart folds into a roll. I think his design is based on British military designs and may be exact copies. FlGatorwood, steven newman, Artie and 1 other 4 Quote
Fred W. Hargis Jr Posted October 25, 2020 Report Posted October 25, 2020 I must have saw that same episode (some time back) or another version. I seem to think it was "full blind" docetail, but whatever it was interesting to watch him do it. Gunny, Cal, FlGatorwood and 1 other 4 Quote
kmealy Posted October 25, 2020 Report Posted October 25, 2020 yeah, Chris got on the campaign kick somewhere between workbenches, chairs, and tool boxes. He is a talented guy and I see him regularly, at least before COVID. steven newman, FlGatorwood and Cal 3 Quote
Popular Post Masonsailor Posted October 25, 2020 Popular Post Report Posted October 25, 2020 That brings back memories of my grandfather. He was around in the shop until I was about 12. My father had long before taken over control of the shop but my grandfather at that point was still working two or three days a week in the shop. He was a great guy and an excellent cabinet maker. He used to tell me that dovetail joints were “trash” and a good drawer maker would only use blind dovetails for a more professional looking joint. I think there was a period of time maybe back in the 1930’s where some cabinet makers had that mindset. My father, from a different era only used the traditional open dovetail joint and then somewhere in the 60’s transitioned to a lock joint that I still use occasionally. A lot of those transitions were fueled by the advent of better adhesives and improved machinery. Paul Gunny, FlGatorwood, p_toad and 5 others 8 Quote
Popular Post steven newman Posted October 26, 2020 Author Popular Post Report Posted October 26, 2020 Ok...Dovetail Class, Day 2....went to the other end of the pin board. corner #2. was looking for a simpler way to mark the angles.... So..IF I lay the long edge along the rebate...that angled end is just about the angle I like to use for dovetails...might get a better lay out? Even gained a fourth tail/pin...turn the board around, so I can use the No.68 Dovetail saw...saw as much as I can..without too much over-cut....then the kerf knife.. To deepen each saw cut...then the chopping station...sounds a bit harsh to say "Chopping Block"? remember to ALWAYS mark which will be the waste. Then start in... Doesn't take all that long..until all the waste is gone... Dog holes are an excellent way to keep chisels from rolling off the bench...Next, use this to mark out the tails.. Finish marking all around....then use the saw and knife, again... The rough spots are at the edges...I chopped those 2 out while still in the vise... And try not to split out a side...the rest are chopped up like before.. I tried to leave the lines....well, maybe next time.. Time for a dry fit? Well, the inside looks a bit better? Outside corner? A little bit of improvement....found out a couple spots were causing trouble...so, for Day 3"s work, a little prep was done.. End grain was less than square....planed it flat...( was also leaning a bit...) and the rebate needed a touch up So, I'll work on that, on Day 3.... Stay tuned..2 more corners to do Thad, Gunny, FlGatorwood and 4 others 6 1 Quote
aaronc Posted October 28, 2020 Report Posted October 28, 2020 Love these dovetail tutorials steven newman, Cal and Gunny 2 1 Quote
Popular Post steven newman Posted October 28, 2020 Author Popular Post Report Posted October 28, 2020 Well, Day #3 morphed into Day #4....that..Monday thingSo, today being a Tuesday should make things better, right?...... Not exactly....started to lay out the wrong line on the tail board...despite already having the pin board done...corrected just in time...that'll larn me, about getting in too big of a rush Anyway,,,Laid out some pins, once the ends of the boards were NOW squared up.. I used the angled end of that bevel gauge, since it was just about the perfect angle...Just stepped off towards the middle, starting with 1/2Pins...then a little hand saw work.. trying NOT to over cut too much...then deepen the kerfs with the "Kerf Knife".. "X" marks the waste parts...then get this ready to chop, again... And there's a half pin...then the rest.. Use these to lay out the tails (to the correct line..) Hmmm, that corner is going to be....fun..at least it is in the waste part These outside corners take 3 saw cuts....and a bit of chisel work...the rest aren't too bad to do.. Same as the first photo....yes, it IS alright to "bruise" the baseline....anyway, once these are all chopped out, I can try a dry fit.. With an assist from a mallet....then, go back ( after PIZZA! ) repeat all the above..EXCEPT that incorrect line layout... gaps were getting a bit smaller... End grain looked a bit better, too... get the 4th corner all chopped out...and a dry fit of all 4 sides...with a couple clamps... Maybe plough a few grooves, for a lid and the bottom panels....call this a box? Stay tuned.. Cal, DuckSoup, p_toad and 3 others 6 Quote
Popular Post steven newman Posted October 29, 2020 Author Popular Post Report Posted October 29, 2020 Ok, worked about an hour IN the shop, tonight. Decided to go ahead and make this into a box of some sort....needed grooves for a pair of plywood panels...rather than set up the Stanley #45 for just 8 grooves... As each side gets 2 grooves...we have ways... G. Roseboom Plough plane....1864, made in Cincinnati, OH. The nice part about this plane...it is always set up, and ready to go....shavings tend to curl up.. And exit the plane out the right hand side. just does not have a depth stop....have to keep an eye on how deep it is going... had a piece of 1/4" plywood handy, that might work.. Set it into a couple grooves, mark it for length...then made a second panel to match. once that was done, assembled things for a dry fit... Top view,....and Bottom view....then knock this all back apart, add some glue, and a few clamps... Will let this sit overnight....and see what else I can do to it..tomorrow Stay tuned.. Cal, Fred W. Hargis Jr, DuckSoup and 5 others 8 Quote
Cal Posted October 29, 2020 Report Posted October 29, 2020 8 hours ago, steven newman said: G. Roseboom Plough plane....1864, made in Cincinnati, OH. That's an interesting plane Steven, I don't think you've show it to us before. Gunny, DuckSoup and steven newman 3 Quote
steven newman Posted October 29, 2020 Author Report Posted October 29, 2020 At one time, long ago...this would have been half of a Match Set of planes...the other one did the "tongue" in a Tongue & Groove joint....this one would do the groove. have rebuild this one...new Maple Tote, new Walnut wedges, and a new Ash fence.....plus new screws for the fence to attach to the arms....as the old pointless screws were splitting the arms...re-glued the splits. Iron is just an old 1/4" chisel blade, had to grind a groove into it's back..as it rests on a knife edge on the end of the skate...I never removed the old screws in the skate....as usually, you can't get them to go back in... Didn't feel like putting the Stanley 45 back together, just for a few grooves....and, since this other plane is always set up..... Thad, Cal, Gunny and 1 other 4 Quote
Popular Post steven newman Posted October 29, 2020 Author Popular Post Report Posted October 29, 2020 had to clean off the bench, before I could do any more work...was getting a might.. Messy? Clamps came off, and were hung up...then started to clean the box up.. Sides needed planed smooth, corners got a rounding over... Top needed a little clean up, too.. Next...how about some beads? Decided on the smaller of the two cutters....assembled the Stanley 45.. And try a bead... Then, work my way around the other 3 sides.. next, move the fence a bit..and start a second bead... Again, I go all the way around with this 2nd bead.. Wasn't quite up to handsaw work, to split off the lid ( should have done it, anyway..) Bandsaw was a tad wavy in the cut...we have ways... Run this jack plane around, to level things out...then try some hinges... Meh...these are brass, BTW..NOT copper. Next, a latch for the lid... Gouge to incise the latch a bit...being right on that bead didn't help much..but... I guess this will just have to do.. Needs sanded, stained, and then figure out what to use it for... And that will do it....may try these again....next time...have to keep in Practize... Thanks for looking in.. p_toad, Cal, Fred W. Hargis Jr and 2 others 5 Quote
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