February 16, 20188 yr Popular Post Picked up a 408(I think is same as Stanley #4 ) Sargent hand plane that was clean, sharp and ready to go for $10.00. How bad did I do? My thinking is to sell all my Stanley Baileys and Baileys and use the lesser knowns for my work. I have some others like Dunlop, Craftsman, Buck Brothers, etc. I can pick up Stanley knockoffs with no name, and if it fits my hand, is well made, and is in good shape, I can always do all right. What do you say about my theory? Also, I turned down Wood Magazine's last offer because they shut down our community forum. I would not be surprised if they quit publishing it in the next few years if as many people are mad at them as I think they are. I was going to return their offer with this explanation as to why I decided to drop them after more than 20 years of subscriptions. Edited February 16, 20188 yr by oldwoodie left out some info
February 16, 20188 yr I have a couple of working Sargents, including one VBM , and they do every bit as well as the others. I have one Dunlop and it is also a good plane. I think your theory makes sense evne though I'm not familiar with the Buck Brothers planes. I do have a Craftsman (given to me new back in the 70's by my kids for Christmas...my first hand plane) and I can't get it to shave wood at all. It digs in no matter what I do to tune it.
February 16, 20188 yr Author Buck Brothers is a very old company that also makes turning gouges. This one is fairly cheap, but it shaves wood. Do happen to have the blade flipped over? Do you have a plane that the blade is sort of rounded; if not, you might do that to your blade, and use it to flatten boards as a first pass prior to smoothing with another plane.
February 16, 20188 yr 8 hours ago, oldwoodie said: Sargent hand plane that was clean, sharp and ready to go for $10.00. How bad did I do? If it was already cleaned, sharp and ready to put to use, you did GOOD! Around here (West Central Indiana), most flea markets have that much or more on a rust bucket plane. I've had better luck at yard & garage sales but still always require some cleaning and the blade sharpened. 8 hours ago, oldwoodie said: What do you say about my theory? If you're happy with the results of the lesser known and they do the job to YOUR satisfaction, then I'd say do it. Keep in mind you have the old Baileys now...replacing them down the road and getting them tuned might be more expensive and require more work than it did with your current stable. On the other hand if you enjoy rescuing and refurbishing old planes (or other tools), then selling off some/all of the current stable helps finance the habit, 'er passion. Bottom line Woodie; do what you enjoy...that's what is important...my $0.02 input. Hopefully other, smarter and talented people will chime in with their thoughts too.
February 16, 20188 yr 2 hours ago, Fred W. Hargis Jr said: I do have a Craftsman (given to me new back in the 70's by my kids for Christmas...my first hand plane) and I can't get it to shave wood at all. It digs in no matter what I do to tune it. Take it over to Newman's house. If he can't fix it......nobody can.
February 16, 20188 yr 3 hours ago, Ron Dudelston said: Take it over to Newman's house. If he can't fix it......nobody can. Yeah, I keep that option in the back of my mind.....
February 16, 20188 yr 3 hours ago, Fred W. Hargis Jr said: I can't get it to shave wood at all. It digs in no matter what I do to tune it. I've got one like that, but it's a cheap Canadian Tire version. The sole is dished around the blade, so that it has to protrude about 3/16" before it even touches the wood! John
February 18, 20188 yr Dunlap were made by Sargent. Craftsman was made, depending on who won that years contract, by either Stanley, Millers Falls, or Sargent. IF the plane was made by "Worth", or PEXTO....run, do not walk, away.... I had one of the newer Buck Brothers planes ( Home Depot variety) and was not impressed, Same as with the "Kobalt" Lowes sells...meh. Have a Beltsander? Load a 100 grit belt on it. Black sharpie pen to mark a lot of lines across the sole of that Caftsman plane....sand until no lines remain. Keep rotating the assembled plane while on the spinning belt. Make sure the iron is back as far as the wheel will take it. You are sanding the sole, NOT the cutter. Have a good straightedge handy, to check on things.
February 18, 20188 yr On 2/16/2018 at 5:01 AM, Fred W. Hargis Jr said: my first hand plane) and I can't get it to shave wood at all. It digs in no matter what I do to tune it. flatten the sole... mark it up w/ a felt tip.. stroke it a few times on some fine w/d paper... sees where the felt tip is and isn't... that'll tell ya how flat the sole is... keep going til all of the felt tip marks are gone.. if it's really bad start the process out w/ med w/d paper and work your way to very fine... also change the bevel by a couple of degrees.. one way then the other... back bevel too...
February 18, 20188 yr I've already worn out two belts trying to flatten the darn thing! 180 grit, I think.... it was all I had. The plane is actually a friend's, I told him I'd try to fix it up for him. Starting to wish I'd kept my mouth shut. John
February 18, 20188 yr Save the worn out belts for the sharpening stuff Get a H-F 100 grit belt......might take 10 minutes tops....
February 19, 20188 yr 4 hours ago, HARO50 said: No H-F in Canada! That's un-American, er un-Canadian I mean we've even got a Tim Horton's now about an hour away in Indianapolis and a second location in the works.
February 19, 20188 yr 5 minutes ago, Grandpadave52 said: That's un-American, er un-Canadian I mean we've even got a Tim Horton's now about an hour away in Indianapolis and a second location in the works. They sell Chains, don't know about sanding belts. Herb Tim Hortons timhortons.com Tim Hortons Inc. is a Canadian-based multinational fast food restaurant known for its coffee and donuts. It is also Canada's largest quick service restaurant chain; as of December 31, 2016, it had a total of 4,613 restaurants in nine countries
February 19, 20188 yr 9 minutes ago, Fred W. Hargis Jr said: I thought Burger King bought Tim Horton out? Say it 'ain't so?
February 19, 20188 yr Actually, I think it was Wendy's Some of my "extra " planes.. Anant A4, Craftsman #3, Craftsman #3 ( Millers Falls made) Stanley Defiance#3, Mohawk-Shelburne #900....with a Handyman 1248 Block plane. All are tuned up.... Edited February 19, 20188 yr by steven newman
February 19, 20188 yr I had to search, turns out we are both right. Wendy's had bought Tim Horton, and then spun it off as it's own company after some time. Then Burger king (2014) bought it out. After Steven mentioned Wendy's, I remembered the same thing...so it sent me searching. Edited February 19, 20188 yr by Fred W. Hargis Jr
February 19, 20188 yr 1 minute ago, Fred W. Hargis Jr said: I had to search, turns out we are both right. Wendy's had bought Tim Horton, and then spun it off as it's own company after some time. Then Burger king (2014) bought it out. After Steven mentioned Wendy's, I remembered the same thing...so it sent me searching. now I know I won't go near one...
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