First off welcome to all our new members. Hope you will join in the discussions here and share what you are working on. This is a post I have been doing every Friday for several years so please jump in.

 

It is raining here again so no work on the shop expansion this weekend. Most of my time is going to be cleaning up in the shop and putting everything away that I have been using on the shop expansion. Shop is a mess right now.

 

So while it is raining and I am cleaning up, I am also working on a chair repair job. I have two of eight chairs in the shop to repair.

 

It seems that they have leaned back in the chairs onto the back legs and they have gotten loose. As I looked closer it appears the wood has split around the mortise and tenon joint.

When I removed the screws they had tried to fix them with the joint came apart pretty easily. 

 

But it is easy to see where the wood and broken loose on the face of the mortise.

 

There was some epoxy on the end of the tenon so I am going to clean it all off and see if I can re-epoxy them and get them to hold. Just got to tell them you can't rock back on the back legs of a chair like this.

 

 

So I should get these back together after meeting with the customer this weekend and them move on to the other chairs.

 

So what is on your Patriot Woodworker agenda this weekend. All of us here at TPW love to see what you are working on and here about your projects. Post those pictures and tell us what your weekend agenda looks like.

 

 

Still rain John? Man I sure do admire your region, but then I know the south is getting too much wet stuff anymore.

I love the idea of working in a wood shop with the rain pitter pattering all day long outside. I would open my rear garage door so I could hear and see, an smell the rain while I was working, no matter how cold it got. But keep in mind, I live in So Cal, a cold day to us is 48 degrees!

You sure have a ton of work going on there. Love the chair repair job you are getting into.

 

I am going to clean shop this weekend, or at least today and some of tomorrow. I really want to get my chair building started, but "stuff" is happening, kids back to school, college for my oldest, constant meetings and school stuff right now. But this weekend so far looks pretty free for me! Yipee! I'd like to just clean shop, and sharpen tools, that would be my goal this weekend.

Thanks for the great topic John

Well, up until 10 minutes ago I was going to help a neighbor install a 200 amp electrical panel.  Since he found out the power company won't turn the power off on Saturday, I have a day to kill.  Maybe I can clean the shop.  Back in the day before digital meters, I would have yanked the meter and progressed forward but they get a little stickier now.

John, those tenons are worse that you described.

Glad to see you're finally getting productive, Moody. That chair appears worthy of your ministrations. The tipping caution is often heard where youngsters are around. Though, I've been guilty of that sin a time or two.

Phyl's sis from Dallas is arriving midday for a three day visit. I've been tasked to do some grocery shopping. For us, that's a 20 mile drive to town. Might as well do some hardware store browsing, too. Make the trip somewhat more interesting.

Her visit will preclude shop time for me. That's OK, as I'm down to the "keep it or toss it" stage of my semi annual shop reorganization project. I hate deciding which of my scraps to burn. The "exotics", thats everything but tubafors and plywood, for me, will stay. But those scraps of CDX will bite the dust....maybe.

 

 

 

 

 

We set a record high yestersay at 108. Forecast for 109 today - to hot for the shop. Well, to be honest, pretty much to hot for anything.

 

Stick, you got some of that cold air you could ship to me?

Good to see another repair guy, don't ya just love Gorilla glue and nails? Have dug as many as 50 nails from a single chair before.

 

Steve

31 minutes ago, Chips N Dust said:

We set a record high yestersay at 108. Forecast for 109 today - to hot for the shop. Well, to be honest, pretty much to hot for anything.

 

Stick, you got some of that cold air you could ship to me?

Oregon gets over 100? Now that is surprising, I had no idea Chips.

40 minutes ago, John Morris said:

Oregon gets over 100? Now that is surprising, I had no idea Chips.

What is surprising is that the northern part of the state is getting it also. The Medford area, not uncommon to have 100+. But, we do not need to set records

5 minutes ago, Chips N Dust said:

What is surprising is that the northern part of the state is getting it also. The Medford area, not uncommon to have 100+. But, we do not need to set records

Not those kind of records! I am in So Cal and I always had this idealistic image in my head of Oregon being green, forested, cool, wet, paradise!

4 hours ago, John Moody said:

First off welcome to all our new members. Hope you will join in the discussions here and share what you are working on. This is a post I have been doing every Friday for several years so please jump in.

 

It is raining here again so no work on the shop expansion this weekend. (1)..Most of my time is going to be cleaning up in the shop and putting everything away that I have been using on the shop expansion. Shop is a mess right now

 

But it is easy to see where the wood and broken loose on the face of the mortise.

There was some epoxy on the end of the tenon so I am going to clean it all off and see if I can re-epoxy them and get them to hold. Just got to tell them you can't rock back on the back legs of a chair like this.

 

 

 

1.. but there's no sawdust on the floor..

what's up w/ that..

 

can I suggest you skip the epoxy and face the rim of the mortise w/ new wood and replace the tenon w/ a floating tenon..

epoxy will separate from the wood over time if it's subjected to any more duress like the chair already experienced... 

clean the rim w/ a router and rebuild w/ a wood filler or plate..

2 hours ago, Chips N Dust said:

We set a record high yesterday at 108. Forecast for 109 today - to hot for the shop. Well, to be honest, pretty much to hot for anything.

 

Stick, you got some of that cold air you could ship to me?

 

Sorry.. not enough cold to go around as it is...

it's 44° w a 9%RH...

so that 11'' of snow we go since yesterday isn't going last or be around very long and I'd like to hang on to all I can get...

 

4 hours ago, Stick486 said:

1.. but there's no sawdust on the floor..

what's up w/ that..

 

can I suggest you skip the epoxy and face the rim of the mortise w/ new wood and replace the tenon w/ a floating tenon..

epoxy will separate from the wood over time if it's subjected to any more duress like the chair already experienced... 

clean the rim w/ a router and rebuild w/ a wood filler or plate..

Thanks, that is a good suggestion. I'll see how it works out. There are eight of these to do.

6 hours ago, Steve Krumanaker said:

Good to see another repair guy, don't ya just love Gorilla glue and nails? Have dug as many as 50 nails from a single chair before.

 

Steve

I know they just keep throwing nails in it like the next one is really going to make a difference. I had a rocking chair recently to repair, the rocker was broken into. They put Gorilla glue on it and tried to put it back together. First time the rocked back it came off. You got to love it though.

4 hours ago, Stick486 said:

1.. but there's no sawdust on the floor..

what's up w/ that..

 

 

There is more than you can see! But I do try to keep the sawdust up. I have several shop vacs around and after each process I get up what ever the DC didn't catch. Just a little OCD.

Warched this guy's build on YouTube. He had several holes to drill. After every hole, he carefully picked up the work piece and carried it to his trash can and used a bench brush to sweep the drill dust into the can.

Now, THAT'S OCD..but his floor was immaculate.

31 minutes ago, John Moody said:

 

There is more than you can see! But I do try to keep the sawdust up. I have several shop vacs around and after each process I get up what ever the DC didn't catch. Just a little OCD.

So then what do you do when a good song comes on the radio.  You can't dance without sawdust on the floor/.

 

Dan

5 hours ago, Stick486 said:

1.. but there's no sawdust on the floor..

what's up w/ that..

 

can I suggest you skip the epoxy and face the rim of the mortise w/ new wood and replace the tenon w/ a floating tenon..

epoxy will separate from the wood over time if it's subjected to any more duress like the chair already experienced... 

clean the rim w/ a router and rebuild w/ a wood filler or plate..

when I said wood filler I didn't mean paste or putty...

wood filler as in a piece of cut wood to fit...

28 minutes ago, Gene Howe said:

Warched this guy's build on YouTube. He had several holes to drill. After every hole, he carefully picked up the work piece and carried it to his trash can and used a bench brush to sweep the drill dust into the can.

Now, THAT'S OCD..but his floor was immaculate.

that's anallitic...

Too much running around today.   May just go down to the shop tomorrow, and lock the door behind me.    I could then just hide out all day long down there.    Well....as long as the Mountain Dews hold out...

 

Have a few finger joints to make.   Might give the Stanley #45 a try-out in cherry, cutting grooves to house a panel for a bottom.  Imagine a box like this, except in cherry..

This is the Poplar one I built to hold a Stanley No.45...the original box is in the background.   We'll see how the Cherry one looks.....

Another quote from me: 

"There is a special room in Hell for people that put nails in chair joints.  And it's right next to the room for people that put screws in chair joints."

 

Mechanical fasteners don't keep joints from getting loose, but they do keep them from coming apart and concentrate the forces in one area so it's likely to break something right there."   I don't think I've ever seen a broken joint with a fastener that didn't break right through the fastener's hole.