At this point now its hurry up and wait on management.  I just proposed to them a plan for a shop space that's roughly 10 foot 2 inches in length by 9 fee 3 inches in width I believe that's what I've measured out on the carport space.  I've got a double driveway and a double carport with a shed.  But the shed being too small I've wanted a bigger shop space to do work in even when I was into the blacksmithing stuff.  I will have help for that if it gets approved which I don't think it will be too big of an issue as long as I still have a carport.  Which this will allow for that.  I'll have one side basically closed off of the driveway for the shop and one side for a car if needed.  How ever I rarely even use my carport the car I have is just too big for it lol.  Either way.  I also have in the works plans for some work benches.  2 benches for both lathes to set on a and a proper work bench.  I should be able to get all this done on a tight budget if approved.  2x4s are at least cheap.  The only downside is I'll have to paint the danged thing when it's done so it matches the current charcoal grey color I have now with white trim.  Either way that should be plenty of space for a couple of lathes to sit in and work functionally a couple of benches a table saw a belt sander a drill press and band saw.  So I'm hoping that management approves the proposal and I can get working on it.  Our management here is kind of like a regular neighborhood HOA.  But its the only thing at the moment stopping me from doing it is management.

I can relate to the small working space.

 

One thing that came to mind for the size and the machines you mentioned- you will be limited on the size of materials you can cut on the table saw. 

That problem will be easily solved, bench top table saw, portable and be able to take it outside to make the long cuts.  Which was the intent to keep things on the smaller side.  So if I need to cut a large piece Id be able to haul the saw outside which would be a decent thing.  I also did the math on 2x4s looks like I'm going to need about 45 to 50 of them for 1 foot between each for the studs.  So at least the 2x4s wont be spendy the ply board on the other hand that's another story haven't figured out.  I'm thinking for the door using a hidden door with plywood and having it done that way.  just to save space rather than buying a regular door.

4 minutes ago, AndrewB said:

math on 2x4s looks like I'm going to need about 45 to 50 of them for 1 foot between each for the studs.

Typical spacing for 2x4's is 16" on center but don't forget to consider the extra ones to frame out your inside corners- just in case you want to panel the inside. Also you may need a couple of extras for any door/window framing (jacks, cripples, headers).

2 minutes ago, lew said:

Typical spacing for 2x4's is 16" on center but don't forget to consider the extra ones to frame out your inside corners- just in case you want to panel the inside. Also you may need a couple of extras for any door/window framing (jacks, cripples, headers).

I read somewhere to estimate 1 stud per foot of wall -- this covers the corners, king and jack studs around doors and windows, etc.   Just a general rule of thumb for the "average" wall.

The inside probably wont be paneled keep the cost down and space up how ever the outside will.  I also plan on having it wired for power but I already have that covered fortunately my little brother will most likely help me out with that one since he is a licensed electrician LOL.  Either way I was also counting 2x4s for benches as well 4x4s for corner legs I'm thinking.  And that's what I was actually counting is the 1 stud per 1 foot.

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I really hate to say this as I basically dislike permits and inspectors, but if something should happen and you file an insurance claim, it must have been permitted or the insurance company can refuse to pay.  There may be other problems associated with that as well.  So, for safety with the insurance get it all permitted and inspected just in case.  

And, notify the ins co. Of the added structure.

Hope you get the ok to move forward.

Shoot us a pic of the house/carport.  You may be missing out on some helpful tips or suggestions to make the whole thing more better.

If you are enclosing the section of the carport next to the house, you might have to put drywall up on the common wall to act as a fire block?

Is this a house that you own/buying/renting?  What is the ceiling height?

 

The size of your proposed space is pretty much the size of the room I have my computer in.  I am sitting in it now.  Personally, I would try to limit it to one bench along a wall to put both lathes on and one workbench in the center of the remaining space.  You want to be able to work around this bench.  And benchtop tools that would store under this workbench or maybe stored in a vertical cabinet.

 

Have you drawn out any plans, to scale?  If you have, share them with us.

Yep its insane what has to be done just to put up four walls a door and some electrical plugs.

and remember, if you need help planning and spending the $$$ you already don't have; we can help. 

I've already got plans for what I want to do I have an electrician fortunately who will do the work for free I just have to buy the parts and wire.  Plyboard and 2x4s are fortunately not too expensive.  Most of the tools that require putting the shed together I already have minus the table saw / skill saw but my electrician has all that and he will be the one helping me out with putting the thing together if it gets approved to start doing.  If it does I hope to get started with in the next week or so.  Paint will just be the spendy one because I have to paint the would be new shop to match my house and shed.

And what do you plan to sheath the inside of the shop walls with?  

I'm not planning on sheathing the inside of the shop.  I'll have 2x4 studs basically same set up as I have currently in the shed.  It will make things a bit simpler for me.  If I need or feel the need to do that I can always do that at a later date.  But the primary goal at the moment is to get the current walls up and going.

The reason I mention it is you should put up insulation, otherwise it will be a cold winter.  Second, I personally don't recommend pegboard.   My shop had it from previous owner and I have changed out some, but not all.   Maybe from 4 ft and up mark but the newer stuff is way too thin (not even 1/4 inch now) for sheathing.  You can use OSB, BUT, to paint the stuff will require extra coats and effort.  Now if you do use it sealing the bottom where it is closest to the floor is a must.  I used caulk, and put in a u channel of aluminum coil trim to keep water from becoming an issue.  Many different ways exist this is just the one I used.  Or you could go plywood, bit more expensive but less prep work and issues long term.

 

Putting nothing up for the moment is okay.  But think long term when you do install it, paint it.  It will lighten up the shop. Also don't skimp on lighting.  I went all LED as of last year and it is a huge difference.  Since you have a electrician at hand ask for outlets in the ceiling.   This way you can plug in your shop lights and if one needs replacing UNPLUG it with no need to turn off breaker and remove hardwires.  All my exterior buildings and shop have this method in use.  Forget looks we want convenience.  

 

Would look like this if you take your time with the cords.  Used eight 4ft LED fixtures under my carport.  They came in 4 packs for $55. Carport is 20ft x 22ft.  Same set up in shop but I don't have shop pictures.

 

  

 

 

 

 

Yea I currently have a cheap set of LED lights in the shed now they are a bit on the dull side.  I l like the look of that.  I will figure something out for sure once I get the walls up if I even can.  But that will all take a bit of time to do.  Cost is a big issue at the moment.  So I'm trying to keep cost down to a minimum.

Oh I understand budget considerations.  But having a plan long term and adjusting your construction to fit that plan will pay off later.

 

These are ones I use, have 32 units in various places.  Have installed 7 houses with a 8 light set up in carports just like mine in the neighborhood.  Everyone is pleased with results.  

 

LED shop lights

 

LED lights come in a variety of options.  Unlike a incandescent bulb where you only cared about wattage LED's have wattage, light temperature range and lumens.

 

 

21 minutes ago, Gunny said:

LED shop lights

Awesome price and a 4 pack no less!!!

Yea I may wind up having to get something like t hat.  Although being a 10 food by 9 foot basically almost a 10 by 10 space I wouldn't need that many lights in there.  Even with the 2 led stick bar lights I've got in the shed the lighting is kind of dull in there.  But I'm still able to see.  So I may wind up investing in more.  How we did the plug for the lights in the shed is we stuck two outlets and hooked them into the ceiling then my brother wired them and we ran a light switch and he wired it to be able to shut off the two outlets on the ceiling and shut off.  That system works quite well.  So that may be what I wind up doing.

That's how I wired m shop for lights. Instead of hardwiring the fixtures as I would have for flourescent lamps, I put into outlets and switched them. Then I was able to put the LED lamps anywhere...plus they can be daisy chained (one plugs into another) so it really work out well. Those LED fixtures usually don't have replaceable bulbs, so you switch the entire thing out if it goes bad.