T-Track

[schnewj]

I was just watching a video where the poster modified Rockler Bench Cookies and hold downs to fit into another manufacturers track.

 

It got me to thinking about all of the different brands of T-track and how they differ. I don't ever remember seeing any type of a comparison chart or discussion on which is the best brand of T-track to use. The real question is this, if you were building a shop which T-track would you standardize to use for your tools and fixtures? Which brand would be the universal go-to?

 

It seems like a simple question, however, consider this; if you don't standardize the tracks, then some accessories will work in one track brand and possibly not in another. There are all kinds of T-tracks; Kreg, Rockler, Incra, Fox Shop, generic etc. Without standardization then you either have to modify hardware to fit or you end up with unneeded extra accessories just to utilize them in two or three different brands of track.

 

So, in your opinion and especially practical experience, which would be the most versatile T-track to use? I personally have identified three different tracks in my shop.

 

Here are a couple of points to ponder before you answer:

 

* Versatility

* Cost

* Availability

 

Let the discussion begin...

 

[Gene Howe]

I'm partial to Peachtree's T track. They carry a number of different configurations. 

For bench work, I like dog holes. If I had an assembly table, I'd use one of Peactree's T track. In any case, I'd likely build/modify my own attachments, clamps, etc. I use a lot of toilet bolts. 

[schnewj]

Good choice. Comes in different sizes/configurations, two standard lengths and has 4-way connectors available, accepts T-bolts, 1/4" and 3/8" (depending on the track) and a couple of different combos.

 

Any con's, Gene? Problems installing, dimensional inconsistency, attachment methods...

[DAB]

only have a pair on my drill press table that i made.  Incra with matching hold downs for small stuff.  otherwise, don't use them.  i do have dog holes on my main table that match up to my vice.

[schnewj]

6 minutes ago, DAB said:

only have a pair on my drill press table that i made.  Incra with matching hold downs for small stuff.  otherwise, don't use them.  i do have dog holes on my main table that match up to my vice.

No jigs; coping sled, cross cut sled, means to attach feather boards on fences? How about an assembly table? If you did utilize them, would you stick with the Incras?

 

Again, any cons with the Incra track? Advantages over others?

[Gene Howe]

1 hour ago, schnewj said:

Good choice. Comes in different sizes/configurations, two standard lengths and has 4-way connectors available, accepts T-bolts, 1/4" and 3/8" (depending on the track) and a couple of different combos.

 

Any con's, Gene? Problems installing, dimensional inconsistency, attachment methods...

No problems with dimensional consistency. I've ordered 3 times and each order was exactly like the first. The track I use has a small crease down the middle of the inside for locating and centering your screw holes.  

Can't compare with any other track as this is the only track I've purchased. I do recall checking some prices at a few places before ordering. Peachtree was the least expensive.

[HandyDan]

I bought a piece of T-track and then never used it.  Most of my jigs were of a one time use.

[Smallpatch]

I ordered a double type t track from someone and built it in to the top of the router table I built.......and built the regular size going the other direction. Its been between 15 and 20 years ago and have never seen a use for them yet and I do use the router table all the time...???

 

I built the top with an over hang all around for regular vise grip c clamps to hold down the fence. different fences I use for different purposes. Its all I need.

[DAB]

2 hours ago, schnewj said:

No jigs; coping sled, cross cut sled, means to attach feather boards on fences? How about an assembly table? If you did utilize them, would you stick with the Incras?

 

Again, any cons with the Incra track? Advantages over others?

no jigs that require a T-track.  have very few jigs actually, a few for the TS, but they just ride against the rip fence.

 

i use a pair (one for each side of the blade) of Incra 1000SEs on my TS for cross cuts.

 

only my router table has a featherboard on the fence, and it came as part of the kit.  use a magnetic featherboard for the TS to hold against the rip fence.

 

assembly table?  it's a sheet of 3/4" plywood (36x96)  supported by on edge 2x4s, all resting on 4x4 legs with casters (2 locking).  if i cut things right, they self square, and if in doubt, i'll double check once i get the clamps on.

 

i like Incra stuff (rip fence is Incra too, has a built in T-track), but i just don't have much T-track stuff in my shop, haven't seen a need for it.  i've seen the Rockler assembly table and hold downs, but that table is way too small.  i'll take my generous work table (actually have 2 that are not otherwise dedicated to other tasks, plus an outfeed table on my TS that can be pressed into service as an overflow or staging table if needed.).

 

 

[schnewj]

Anyone else like to weigh in?

 

Many people don't use tracks on a router table. I, personally, prefer to index off of the fence. I've never used mine either. However, if you do use T-track, what do YOU use? How and why?

What do you find is best for you?

 

If you do use track, then back to the original questions, which is best (and most versatile) for your use?

 

No right or wrong answers here, just a discussion...

[Smallpatch]

If I were to use a t track I would buy the one that uses a regular bolt head and not something special that has to be bought by the track maker! That is the only difference I think when I was checking all of them out... I don't remember which makers have to have special sizes for their tracks....

[Gene Howe]

No T track on my router table. Can't see the utility. 

 

[Gerald]

Something called Mighty Track I bought over 25 years ago that takes a regular 1/4 bolt. Now I cannot find that company , must be out of business.  Bought some other track that is 3/4 high and very heavy duty, used this on my drill press. Also have some on a fence  for TS from Dick Tolpins Tablesaw Magic. Think I also have some on my steady rest for lathe. Oh also on a dovetail jig for router table. Holes for mount is not a problem because aluminum is easy to drill and placement may not be right with predrilled. Do not have need for the track with what I do mostly now so not looking. However I did learn that a measurement is necessary to decide which track to order.

[DRAGON1]

Peachtree. Cost, availability and decent quality.

[Grandpadave52]

Some time ago I was at Rockler and purchased a starter kit with (2) x 24" pieces of their t-track, 1/4" & 5/16" t-slot bolts, pack of nuts and several sizes of knobs. Kit was on some kind of special.

On another trip to Woodcraft, I bought an Incra You-Build-It kit which included (2) x 48" of Incra track, some hardware & knobs. This kit was also on some type of special sale at the time.

The tracks don't match each other...don't remember now what I actually planned at the time to use it for but probably some variation on a cross-cut sled, and likely some jigs for the router table...

Next time I'm back at either store, I plan to pick-up some round-tuits which I previously forgot.

[HARO50]

On 5/21/2018 at 10:39 PM, Grandpadave52 said:

Some time ago I was at Rockler and purchased a starter kit with (2) x 24" pieces of their t-track, 1/4" & 5/16" t-slot bolts, pack of nuts and several sizes of knobs. Kit was on some kind of special.

On another trip to Woodcraft, I bought an Incra You-Build-It kit which included (2) x 48" of Incra track, some hardware & knobs. This kit was also on some type of special sale at the time.

The tracks don't match each other...don't remember now what I actually planned at the time to use it for but probably some variation on a cross-cut sled, and likely some jigs for the router table...

Next time I'm back at either store, I plan to pick-up some round-tuits which I previously forgot.

I tend to shop that way too. If it's on sale, looks good, and there is a chance I may find a use for it ten years from now, I get it! T-track? Lee Valley's. Because they're only an hour's drive away, and I need an excuse to go there!

John

[schnewj]

On 5/21/2018 at 10:39 PM, Grandpadave52 said:

Some time ago I was at Rockler and purchased a starter kit with (2) x 24" pieces of their t-track, 1/4" & 5/16" t-slot bolts, pack of nuts and several sizes of knobs. Kit was on some kind of special.

On another trip to Woodcraft, I bought an Incra You-Build-It kit which included (2) x 48" of Incra track, some hardware & knobs. This kit was also on some type of special sale at the time.

The tracks don't match each other...don't remember now what I actually planned at the time to use it for but probably some variation on a cross-cut sled, and likely some jigs for the router table...

Next time I'm back at either store, I plan to pick-up some round-tuits which I previously forgot.

You just hit nail on the head, Gramps! Two different tracks and little or no compatibility.

 

If your going to use T-track in your shop, you almost have to plan ahead and standardize. If you don't, you end up with accessories that can only be used on one track type/brand or track that doesn't match up.

 

I'm surprised there wasn't more input on the discussion. However, I see it this way. I think that T-track is oversold as being useful. I have a T-track on my drill pres table (Rockler)...absolutely useless. If I need to hold down something small my hold downs never seem to reach. I hardly ever use them. If/when I build another table I have some ideas that may make T-track more useful and much better located. I have never used the track on my RL-1000 router table. Again, I index off of the fence instead of using the track/guide. However, a track would be useful in the fence for things like feather boards. Another project to I need to get to and correct, if I don't trash the whole cabinet first.

 

Personally, I think generic is the way to go (i.e. Peachtree). It is cheap, available, and it will fit just about everything I would use; bolt heads, T-bolts, etc. I love how Kreg has this pretty BLUE track that limits you to essentially using their accessories, likewise Rockler. Who can resist that Incra GOLD color. It just reeks of royalty and quality, with the price to match. Opps! I have to change the feather board bolts because they won't fit. It's all "smoke and mirrors".

 

The whole point: think it through before you act, determine it there is any real use/advantage to installing the track, what will fit, what won't fit. On and on...don't get suckered by the lure of "you just can't live without this".

 

Don't get me wrong. I think that there is a place in the shop for T-track. It is especially useful in things like jigs, sleds, etc. ...but in tables, ummm, maybe not so much!

[Grandpadave52]

6 minutes ago, schnewj said:

I have a T-track on my drill pres table (Rockler)...absolutely useless.

I forgot about that since it was pre-installed...mine's not Rockler...too pricey...I had a coupon for the H-F plus I needed a new flashlight...It does match up with the Rockler track & accessories though...

6 minutes ago, schnewj said:

I think that there is a place in the shop for T-track.

I call that place high above my head, need a step-stool to reach, shelf.

Edited May 24, 2018 by Grandpadave52

[Danl]

Here is my T-track version on my TS cross-cut sled.  It works great. 3-layers of 1/2" baltic birch ply.  Glue-up 2 layers, let dry, and then cut dado.  Glue on 3rd layer, let dry, and then cut groove.  No worry of damaging saw blade by hitting a metal track. 

Danl

[Grandpadave52]

1 hour ago, Danl said:

Here is my T-track version on my TS cross-cut sled.  It works great. 3-layers of 1/2" baltic birch ply.

Great idea....I like it...thanks for sharing it Dan!