I got one!!!!  Mid size rascal, could be benchtop, or mobile base type. Pics to follow tonight!

I was just so excited I had to share the news.

 

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John Morris
The Patriot Woodworker

That awesome John. I am looking forward to pics. Mr Chandler is a wizard when it comes to drill presses and should be able to help with the restoration. Of course there are also a few others here that do a pretty good job as well.

 

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My job is to give my kids things to discuss with their therapist

The bug has officially bitten you now!

 

Give us some pictures as soon as you can.  

 

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John Moody
John Moody Woodworks
http://www.johnmoodywoodworks.com

Very cool .... looking forward to seeing the pics.

 

You're going to be hooked now.

John,

Now you've done it, stepped over the edge of the slope and started your slide towards the bottom.

Only problem is that there is no bottom.

Don't worry though it's a fun ride.

Welcome to the club.

Larry

 

Yep, I done stepped in it! Anyway, here are some pics, I am anxious to get started on it, but it's going to be a few weeks before I can start breaking it down. It's a Walker Turner Driver.  The motor runs great, and everything is really smooth. This machine weighs a ton, It feels about 150 lbs and it stands about 3.5 feet tall. Heavy Metal!

The Walker Turner label is boogered up, I hope there is a way to replace it.

So there ya have it folks. Needless to say, I will be looking for guidance on this resto. Since this the first one I will be doing the right way, I would like some advice on where to start, the basic steps in a resto, and the general supplies needed, this information would be greatly appreciated, and anything else you guys can think of.

And, I should probably ask, is it worth it???? From what I could tell, it all feels really smooth, I saw it run a few years ago, I pulled the motor a few years back when I thought I might do something with this machine. It has been up at Dad's place for the past few years. My latest visit to Jon Chandlers home has spurred my interest. The visit is another story, someday I might tell it, but not without Jon's permission. Thanks guys for looking and for your interest.

 

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John Morris
The Patriot Woodworker

Very nice John. those little drill presses built really well. The only real issue may be finding appropriate bearings. Walker Turner used odd sized bearings, almost proprietary. I would start by taking pics, lots of pics and take them as you tear it down so you have a reference if needed during re-assembly. I use plastic ziploc bags to store the parts and label them as I remove them. The press looks to be in good overall condition with a layer of surface rust. There are a lot of ways to deal with the rust, I prefer electrolysis. Google it if you are not familiar with the process. If you decide to use it be aware of non ferrous metals in the solution, it will eat them up. Only ferrous metals. Also, get a good penetrating oil, I prefer Kroil. WD40 is ok if you want to have the kids"lubricate" the kitchen cabinets. PBlaster is another I have heard works well. A wire brush on a bench grinder is also helpful in general cleaning. A puller to remove pulleys. Allen wrenches and general wrenches and screw drivers. Be patient and allow the penetrating oil to work. It may take a few days to break some of the really corroded parts. Replace the bearings, all of them even if they "sound" OK. The press appears to be from the 40's era and the bearings are past their useful life and you dont have any idea of how the press was used and/or abused in the past. You can also go to vintagemachinery.com and search the manufacturers index for a manual on it. It should be there as well as a wealth of other info on Walker Turner. The main thing is have fun and take pics along the way and post to show your progress.

 

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My job is to give my kids things to discuss with their therapist

OK

My mission is done . We now have John on the slope. The slope of OWWM. its a slippery one John but its a fun ride.I little word of warning: we are all enablers and so this means you will have to buy more tools. Tools that fix tools,tools that you will see and never would have thought you needed. I am very proud that you have started with a drill press. The walker Turner is one of the finest ever made.Don't worry about a thing rebuilding is as easy . 

in terms of were to start i have alway done a bench test first(that is if it running)

put it through the ropes and post back. I want to see a thread of your process and this will show the others how easy it is.

your in good hands John. We are all here to see you succeed. Oh were you surprised how heavy it was?

 

I have talked to professional and amateur OWWM Restorers About Those Miserable resto blunders to stay away from when it comes to restoration projects,I can tell you I been doing this for more than 10 years so I'v got   some  great storys. The neat thing about this hobby is what we learn doing it. In those 10 years , I must have made more than my share of mistakes-some really stupid, some i would never admit to even my closest friends, and some that were embarrassingly exposed live on fourms. My goal here is to help you avoid mistakes with true confessions from those who've made them, including Me. 


Paint Job On The Cheap 

There's no such thing as a good low-buck scuff and shoot paint job. There are passable budget paint jobs that look good for now. However, they will never last. Go with a scuff and shoot paint job and you are asking for serious problems down the road. That's just throwing away whatever you've just spent." Good arn prep and the best materials are everything to a quality paint job.



remember if you don't have time to do it right the first time you have time to do it right the second time.



Mistake 1 – You Don’t Ask For Help:

This is one of the most common mistakes you can make. A lot of first timers want to take on the whole project by themselves. This is a bad idea.



Mistake 2 – You Don’t Budget Enough For Surprises:

If you’re restoring a classic owwm, be prepared for surprises. No matter how great the OWWM may seem at first sight … there’s always the possibility something may be wrong when you dig deep.



Perhaps the wiring is not as great as you first thought. Or perhaps the motor needs more work than you originally thought.



Surprises are bound to happen.



Mistake 3 – You Don’t Research Mechanics:

So you know you need help restoring yourOWWM , but you didn’t take the time to research quality machinists. The work is terrible and it needs to be done all over again. To top it off, you lost a lot of money in the process.



This is a common mistake among first time OWWM restorers. They don’t do their research on outsourcing work.



Certain parts of a restoration project require a qualified, experienced machinist . Take your time to research qualified trades in your community. Do some online research. Talk with customer references. Be sure to talk with the machinist. This will save you a lot of time and money down the road.



Mistake 4 – You Don’t Have Any Resources:

If you’re taking on a owwm restoration project, you’re going to need resources. A good supply of informational resources will help make sure the project is done right the first time.



Take some time to do some online research to find tools and resources that will help you restore your machine. You’ll also want to look to this group that can help mentor you through the process.



Another great resource Vintage machinery . Sometimes known as repair manuals , these resources help ensure you get the job done right.

http://vintagemachinery.org/mfgindex/detail.aspx?id=808

Summary:

Avoid these mistakes will help you rebuild your classic OWWM of your dreams. It will also prevent a lot of headaches. I have made all these mistakes and then some.

 

Ok time to spit shine that little press

 

jack

English machines

 

 

John,

I envy you the fun of the restore job and the joy of using the finished piece of old "arn".

Keep us up to date with your progress. Even if one can't be found (around here anyway), we can still share in your fun, a little.

 

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Gene
'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

That's a sweet little drill press John. Walker Turner made some great machines and that one appears to be complete and in pretty descent shape.

Should be a great machine for your first restoration. Take your time and have fun with it!

I would like to thank you all for your encouragement! And thanks for the great advice Jack and Ken, and your time. I have many questions, but as you all know it's a big day today and we'll be busy, but I'll be back on tonight after the stuffing settles and I have some comments and questions here.

I took your advice Jack for bench testing the machine and went to reinstall the wiring and the switch, and I am already stuck, I don't want to blow the motor so I'll need to look through the manual that Larry B sent me to see the schematics. I do know it worked, but I can't remember if there were any noises or alignment issues during drilling. So I really do want to bench test this thing as you said to see if there are any issues that need to be addressed. Thanks again guys, your the greatest.

 

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John Morris
The Patriot Woodworker

Ok guys, I am already stuck, I have some wiring issues I am dealing with. It appears the press was originally wired for 220, but the previous owner cut a hot lead out of the equation and spliced on a 110 plug. Plus the switch is not attached anymore and I don't know where the wires are supposed to go. I will take some photos later today to post tomorrow, I have very limited time on the site today due to our traditional hanging of the lights on our home and other things going on. So if you could come back tomorrow and look at these pics I'd greatly appreciate it. I was hoping to get this up and running this weekend.

 

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John Morris
The Patriot Woodworker

John Morris said:

Ok guys, I am already stuck, I have some wiring issues I am dealing with.

 

Methinks the best thing to do when purchasing a "new" old machine is to cut the cord about 6 inches from the motor and then start looking for a schematic that tells you how to wire the motor you're lookin' at.

Never trust what the previous owner did when he / she wired the machine you just purchased.

 

Be cautious.  Be sure.

 

Ray

 

 

John....Here is motor wiring diagram for the Driver Line 1/3 and 1/2hp

 

http://wiki.vintagemachinery.org/DriverLineWiringDiagram.ashx

 

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My job is to give my kids things to discuss with their therapist

Great advice Ray, for the bench test that's exactly what I'll do. For the resto I'll replace the entire chord if not all the wiring. Thanks


Ray Van Haecke (ravan) said:

John Morris said:

 

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John Morris
The Patriot Woodworker

Thanks Ken, got it! I have that same diagram on the switch cover of my Driver. But I still don't get it. I think my main problem is, with the switch I have there is not distinguishing positive or negative symbols, you can tell I am not great at working with power. I will be taking some pics today of what I am seeing.


Ken Rasmussen said:

John....Here is motor wiring diagram for the Driver Line 1/3 and 1/2hp

 

http://wiki.vintagemachinery.org/DriverLineWiringDiagram.ashx

 

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My job is to give my kids things to discuss with their therapist

 

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John Morris
The Patriot Woodworker

Inside the switch you are probably seeing L1, L2 and T1, T2. L1 and L2 are for the power IN. T1 and T2 are the motor leads

 

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My job is to give my kids things to discuss with their therapist

John,

From your photos, it appears that the switchbox was mounted to the front of the machine on the angle iron. I believe the red wires went through the conduit to the switchbox and connected to the switch. I also believe that the black cord had a plug on it. But without seeing the wiring in the electrical box on the motor I can't tell if it is wired for 120 VAC, or 220 VAC.

Regards,

Larry

Thanks Larry! Please see other post, I got some good pics up, I think.


Larry Buskirk said:

John,

From your photos, it appears that the switchbox was mounted to the front of the machine on the angle iron. I believe the red wires went through the conduit to the switchbox and connected to the switch. I also believe that the black cord had a plug on it. But without seeing the wiring in the electrical box on the motor I can't tell if it is wired for 120 VAC, or 220 VAC.

Regards,

Larry

 

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John Morris
The Patriot Woodworker

John,

I don't know,

Do you think this might work?

 

Larry

Old Woodworking Machinery Forum Host

 

John Morris said:

 

The Walker Turner label is boogered up, I hope there is a way to replace it.

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John Morris
The Patriot Woodworker