Hello members,

    After discussing some ideas with our local rep from the Ohio Apprenticeship Council, my query was, how do I go about creating an apprenticeship for certification of "Skilled Wood Craft Artisans"?  This I'm told is necessary to secure any funding for disabled veterans training wages, transitional housing, and sponsorship of shop tools or heavy processing equipment. So, if anyone would like to offer their two cents, I would welcome your input. For all the apprentice training out there, it appears that (They could not find any such specific apprenticeship) With a certified  program in place it's then possible to help our local disabled veterans establish their career training. What we develop could later be used as national guidelines for apprenticeship in any state.

Some of the Soldiers to Sawyers program goals include.

1. Transitional Housing for disabled veterans, which includes a formal apprenticeship training program. Starting with but not limited to: timber felling, band saw specialty milling, solar kiln processing, and basic shop tool study.

2."Master Artisan" in residence program: provided as a pilot project educational resource. At transitional group housing, disabled veterans would establish their wood working workshops.

3. Urban Forestry Sustainability Planning: to provide apprenticeship in ecological management. Establish contract planning with communities to best use their dead, storm damage fallen, and other urban timber resources, for the perpetuation of the S2S programing.

4. Documentation of this apprenticeship process, by digital recording, and establishing a cloud media library.

             If you are interested in providing me with your input, and the attached documents do not

open, I can send these documents directly  to your email. 

Thank you,

Chris Werronen

soldiers.to.sawyers@gmail.com

Chris,

  As one who has completed an apprenticeship program (not in woodworking), I would refer you to the U.S. Dept. of Labor rather than a local authority.  My Jourmenyman's Card was issued  by the federal goverb[nment and the US DoL supervised it.  All 8500 hours of it, I may add.

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Ron Dudelston

Site Administrator

Above and Beyond WoodWorks

Chris,

Being that you are in Ohio, try contacting a UAW local for some information.

I served my Pipefitter apprenticeship through the UAW program which complies with USDoL regulations as Ron mentioned.

They may be willing to help get you in contact with the proper people, so that the Journeyman status achieved is valid nationwide.

Some apprenticeship progams are not valid for nationwide recognition due to schooling requirements etc.

 

Larry

Old Woodworking Machinery Forum Host

Could you contact the recruiting and/or financial departments of some of the facilities that do provide training for veterans. I think most of the specialized training schools (like ITT and similar) offer some sort of veteran program. Maybe someone there can at least point you in the right direction.

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Lew Kauffman-

Wood Turners Forum Host

Time Traveler and Purveyor of the Universe's Finest Custom Rolling Pins!

Hello Ron,

         If you can open the attachments at the bottom of the page, I see that on page two of the "Apprenticeship Proposal" the final oversight on all approvals are from the U.S.Dept of Labor. I am talking to my local rep. they pass the completed "Proposal" on to Columbus Ohio. If they approve it, the feds make the final decision. I have to follow the chain...I also attached the description for Cabinet Maker Apprentice. They have some similar areas of "fine woodworking" hours required. 8000 hrs total.

          So if an apprenticeship is complete at their 8000 hrs, then could you explain a bit about the requirements in hrs. and activity to complete a Journeyman tradesman position? What is the topography (steps) toward Master Craftsman in the skilled wood trades?

Thanks,

Chris

Had I read all the attachments I would have seen that Chris.  My apprenticeship was in Machine Repair so the course work may be different.  I was awarded 1200 hours credit for prior experience (military and civilian) and each worked hour went towards the 8500 hours.  If you worked 2000 hours in a given year, all ours went to toward your journeyman's card.  Overtime was credited hour for hour.  I can't remember the exact timing but as I became more skilled I could work without supervision of a journeyman.  So, the last year I was pretty much on  my own.  We also had coursework in several different areas and those courses were given at the local community college.  They were heavy in math and mechanical training such as rigging and tool and die work. 

I would have to assume that a building trades apprenticeship would perform the same way.  Maybe Larry can Chuime in here with his apprenticeship.

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Ron Dudelston

Site Administrator

Above and Beyond WoodWorks

Mine also was an 8500 Hr apprenticeship with my schooling done at 2 different technical colleges due to the first dropping the program after the first year. I was in some classes with Machine Repairmen, and Millwrights.

The schooling requirements vary depending on the course of study, but all require the math.

There was also a Mechanical Drawing (Drafting) class, welding, basic electronics, basic chemistry, etc. These were requirements for the Pipefitter Apprenticeship.

We were not given any credits for prior experiance, due to having to satisfy the required hours of training.

 

Larry

Old Woodworking Machinery Forum Host

Wow, that's quite a bit of study. I wonder who becomes the (Journeyman) oversight trainer when starting up a new apprenticeship training? My idea of a "Skilled Wood Craft Artisan" language description may differ from the Ohio Apprenticeship Council board's. I feel that the language needs to relate strongly to the therapy aspect for disabled veterans. Apprenticeship should empower them. Once the basic skill set hours are achieved, and the tools and project completion tasks are achomplished. An example of empowerment for enrolled disabled veterans suffering from PTSD might be. " Drafting, model design, template creation and prototype construction of a group project." That's a tough enough job to complete on one's own. But, if any therapy can be achieved as step components, then learning to work together on a project, start to finish tactically should be beneficial to the individual. What do you think veterans?

As a veteran (not disabled except for hearing) and a retired vocational instructor (40 couple years in that environment)- I have a couple of thoughts but need to organize them into a meaningful dialog.

More to come...

Soldiers to Sawyers Project said:

Wow, that's quite a bit of study. I wonder who becomes the (Journeyman) oversight trainer when starting up a new apprenticeship training? My idea of a "Skilled Wood Craft Artisan" language description may differ from the Ohio Apprenticeship Council board's. I feel that the language needs to relate strongly to the therapy aspect for disabled veterans. Apprenticeship should empower them. Once the basic skill set hours are achieved, and the tools and project completion tasks are achomplished. An example of empowerment for enrolled disabled veterans suffering from PTSD might be. " Drafting, model design, template creation and prototype construction of a group project." That's a tough enough job to complete on one's own. But, if any therapy can be achieved as step components, then learning to work together on a project, start to finish tactically should be beneficial to the individual. What do you think veterans?