Early Delta 860 Tilt-Table Saw

[Larry Buskirk]

Ok, here's the last machine from my Monday "I'm just going to look" haul. 

 

So when the Craig's List poster told me he had machines in the garage loft I just had to look. 

So up into the loft we go, and what do I spot?

  

This machine first appeared in the 1933 Delta general line catalog.

It was the table saw that became the Homecraft 34-160 after WWII.

There's probably a ton of them out there, but I've been after an early one for a long time.

Why an early one? 

Here's why!

Only the early machines had "DELTA" cast into the side of the machine. Later versions wore a badge. This one even has the optional table extension, and most of a blade guard.

This one's missing a few parts, some of which I'm sure are in my parts stash. 

If I remember correctly I've got both the dado, and moulding inserts to fit this machine.

It's also missing the fence, and rails just like the 20-200. 

 

 

[Gene Howe]

Great find, Larry.

[Larry Buskirk]

...Looks like it's been awhile. 

 

...Managed to dig out (literally) a stand I got a few years back. It was about half buried in the snow.

 

The guy I got the stand from didn't have a clue what machines it was for.  

So off to the catalogs I went. Turns out it's from a late 1940's, early 1950's HomeCraft Table Saw, & Jointer Combo. 

 

Close, but not quite right. 

 

 

...Looks like there's a little work to do, but since this is one of the bolt together stands that will make reversing either the top or bottom shelf much easier. Will have to drill different mounting holes for the machines though.

 

...Gotta go, neighbor just called. More later. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Larry Buskirk]

Also found these, 

 

..The fence on the right has to be from a 1950's 34-600 9" Table Saw, the one on the left has to be from a late 40's early 1950's 34-160 HomeCraft 8" Tilt Table Saw. ( Delta moved the 860 to the HomeCraft line after WWII.) The left fence is the long version for use with the table extension. 

[Larry Buskirk]

...Showed neighbor this on his store computer. 

 

He said that looks kind of familiar, I'm like , then I showed him this.

 

 

As soon as he saw the foot pedal, he said so that's what those are, I think I've got two of them but only one pedal. 

 

 

[Larry Buskirk]

For those of you following along this is the saw from "Fridays Weekend Agenda". 

March 4, 2021. 

 

 Guess it's taken me a bit longer than I thought to get back around to this. 

 

Photos from "Fridays Weekend Agenda" of the damaged NCS-55-S Front Trunnion Clamp with Worm and Shaft.

I broke the guide ear off when I tried to straighten it. 

I'll be adding the below washer to reinforce the crack in the first photo. 

Due to clearance issues I've had to modify my thoughts about reinforcing the flat side of the guides.

The plate will have to be cut in more of a C shape to fit into the recess where the angle gage is in the below photo of the damaged NCS-20 Bracket Only Sliding Trunnion Bracket with Integral Gear. You can see the damaged gear teeth and angle scale. I've had a replacement since before I got this saw. 

 

That's it for now, have to get ready to go to Stepsons for dinner.

Merry Christmas! 

 

 

 

 

 

[Larry Buskirk]

 Got an email from another  machine enthusiast that has a very nice NCS-55-S. 

He's looking for the rare MT2 spindle for his 14" Delta DP. I have an extra, so it looks like swap time! 

[Cal]

34 minutes ago, Larry Buskirk said:

 Got an email from another  machine enthusiast that has a very nice NCS-55-S. 

He's looking for the rare MT2 spindle for his 14" Delta DP. I have an extra, so it looks like swap time! 

 

Good for you Larry!

[Larry Buskirk]

3 hours ago, Larry Buskirk said:

 Got an email from another  machine enthusiast that has a very nice NCS-55-S. 

He's looking for the rare MT2 spindle for his 14" Delta DP. I have an extra, so it looks like swap time! 

 

2 hours ago, Cal said:

 

Good for you Larry!

 

 Works for me, I found the MT2 Spindle and a couple others in a bucket of drill bits "Curb Shopping". 

 

 

 

[Larry Buskirk]

 Received replacement NCS-55-S Front Trunnion Clamp today. 

Turns out he found the table saw it came from "Curb Shopping" in Ohio. 

 

[Grandpadave52]

Don't break it Snow will be too deep soon to do any shopping.

[Larry Buskirk]

8 hours ago, Grandpadave52 said:

Don't break it

I don't think this one saw much use. The paints not even worn off the contact surfaces.

The saw it came from had stripped threads for the height adjustment and was missing the fence and rails.

8 hours ago, Grandpadave52 said:

Snow will be too deep soon to do any shopping.

Only if I go by myself, Bruce can smell a pile through 4' of snow! 

Besides that there's always the "Old Machinery Underground Parts Network". 

[Larry Buskirk]

I was wasting a bit of time over on the Vintage Machinery site looking through some early editions of the Deltagrams and found this article in the volume 1 No.2 March 1932 edition. http://www.vintagemachinery.org/pubs/detail.aspx?id=25594

 

What I found was a setup with seven machines ran off of one motor. 

 But the photos in the article failed to show how the drill press was ran. 

I went a few more pages and found. 

Though some of the machines are a bit earlier than mine I could easily substitute my machines for those. 

 

Might have to check with the  "Old Machinery Underground Parts Network"  not sure if I have enough line-shaft hangers. 

[Larry Buskirk]

 If I move the Morticing Machine under the Table Saw I could get two or three more machines on a bench like that. 

[Grandpadave52]

Enjoyed the read. Mr. Ingals would have been an interesting man to talk with and just observe.

Edited January 7, 2024 by Grandpadave52

[Larry Buskirk]

12 hours ago, Grandpadave52 said:

Enjoyed the read. Mr. Ingals would have been an interesting man to talk with and just observe.

I hadn't looked through the Deltagrams in quite a while and was pleasantly surprised when I ran across that article.

I know I would have found him to be an interesting character. 

I mentioned to Bruce about the line-shaft hangers and he asked "What do they look like?" I found a bunch of shafting and stuff in the barn.

So I showed him one of the ones I have to which he replied "So that's what those are, if I didn't scrap them, there's a few in the barn."

I hope he didn't scrap them. 

[Cal]

One heck of a project Larry... you will be able to "write the book" when completed!

[Larry Buskirk]

3 minutes ago, Cal said:

One heck of a project Larry... you will be able to "write the book" when completed!

 

I'm sure OSHA would not approve. 

[Larry Buskirk]

Did a little cruising on  The Old Machinery Parts Underground  this morning and found, ...

It was listed for my favorite price, and I was surprised it was still available. It was listed since around 10:00 PM last night! 

[Grandpadave52]

$2.25 / each? that's a half days work in 1935; hope you remembered to use Code Word NECHO or at least enclosed some Necco wafers for the special price.