I tuned to THIS OLD HOUSE near the end of the program. They were showing a table saw that featured the action of the Saw Stop, but it wasn't a saw stop and operated differently. When the saw senses moisture it triggers a solenoid that instantly drops the saw below the bed. It did not harm the blade. After depowering he removed the throat plate, unscrewed one solenoid and swapped it with one that was attached.  Problem was that I didn't see the maker or any pricing. I'd like to know more.

 

ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THIS SAW?

Bosch Reaxx.  Interesting design, available only in portable/jobsite version thus far.  Appears to have some advantage to SS in the use of non-destructive cartridges.  Sells for about $100 more than the same SS design (portable, jobsite).  I'm wondering if Bosch will get into the larger tablesaws, or license their tech to those already competing with SS.  Of course, there's a lawsuit underway as well.

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Edited November 21, 20169 yr by Gene Howe

When SS first came out, it was reported the inventor (a lawyer!) wanted to get legislation enacted that would require saw manufacturers to incorporate his technology into all saws. This would raise the cost of such tools for all of us WWers. I opined this should not be allowed to happen, and some WWers who focused on the marvelous finger-saving technology 'roughed me up, " over-looking the monopoly by law proposal. My view still stands" Let manufacturers make both types available without government regulation favoring anyone and we can choose which one we want to buy.

hat

I googled it and was impressed with the design. It is simpler and should cost less.  I can see OSHA requiring something like that.  However someone should make one for ordinary wood workers. The price is too high for ordinary people. My Dewalt looks like it and has so many well engineered features that think it is the best ever portable saw. If only it had this feature.

 

HOW MUCH MORE WOULD YOU PAY TO HAVE THIS FEATURE ON YOUR NEXT SAW?

Gass sure is a piece of work...

Hat, I've seen numerous debates over the safety issue, and in most of the stuff I've read while people really think the inventor (Steve Gass) is a jerk, they generally think the saw is a welcome advance. I've never seen anyone beat up for criticizing Gass, and he deserves every berating comment for his approach to enriching his self. But the man (besides the patent lawyer stuff) is also a PHD in physics, which led him to design the circuity the SS uses. Now he's claiming that Bosch violated some of his patents, but as I understand it Bosch actually used technology they use on some auto stuff to invent their saw. I wish them (Bosch) the best in this legal challenge. If you want to read a side by side of the 2, check this out. (while ignoring the not-so-smart technique).

I may be short sighted, but I refuse to buy anything from a company whose policies and business practices disgust me. 

Right now I have all the table saws I need.  I'm thinking my Darra James will last another 68 years (I won't be here for that) and my 4100 is likely to survive me as well...

 

BUT...if I were to buy another, the Reaxx would be my choice because of it's non-destructive nature.  I think Gass did one of those "why didn't I think of that" routines one morning...

 

I have been dealing with a contractor saw for a long time and think it is time to consider and upgrade to a cabinet saw.  With the only one that my spouse it willing to let me get will be the SS.  

 

11 hours ago, Fred W. Hargis, Jr said:

Hat, I've seen numerous debates over the safety issue, and in most of the stuff I've read while people really think the inventor (Steve Gass) is a jerk, they generally think the saw is a welcome advance. I've never seen anyone beat up for criticizing Gass, and he deserves every berating comment for his approach to enriching his self. But the man (besides the patent lawyer stuff) is also a PHD in physics, which led him to design the circuity the SS uses. Now he's claiming that Bosch violated some of his patents, but as I understand it Bosch actually used technology they use on some auto stuff to invent their saw. I wish them (Bosch) the best in this legal challenge. If you want to read a side by side of the 2, check this out. (while ignoring the not-so-smart technique).

 

Thank you ,Fred for bringing out a valid point. As I am like the rest of the guys who detest the way SS is trying to be forced on us,like Gene brings out.

The point you make that the tables saw technology would have probably never changed in the next 50 years if Gass hadn't come up with his design. To make the point valid ,Bosch  took the challenge and did it a different way, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone else doesn't come up with a different concept in the near future. This is what makes progress , and is called competition. What Gass is trying to do is stop competition and make a profit doing it. But that is the American way, if you can get away with it.

Herb

Thanks Dadio, that was a great learning experience for me. 

Regarding intervention by the federal (or any) government on this and many issues.  They just CAN'T legislate out stupid.

4 minutes ago, Fred Wilson said:

Regarding intervention by the federal (or any) government on this and many issues.  They just CAN'T legislate out stupid.

I had a smart-a$$ reply, but just realized this is a politics-free forum!

John

21 minutes ago, Fred Wilson said:

They just CAN'T legislate out stupid.

not when they are at the head of the class...

8 minutes ago, Stick486 said:

not when they are at the head of the class...

Careful there, Stick. That could be considered "political"!

John

As long

17 minutes ago, Stick486 said:

not when they are at the head of the class...

As long as it is the "class" and not the "party", You are in the clear.

Herb

42 minutes ago, Dadio said:

As long

As long as it is the "class" and not the "party", You are in the clear.

Herb

thought so...

On 11/20/2016 at 3:41 PM, PeteM said:

Bosch Reaxx.  Interesting design, available only in portable/jobsite version thus far.  Appears to have some advantage to SS in the use of non-destructive cartridges.  Sells for about $100 more than the same SS design (portable, jobsite).  I'm wondering if Bosch will get into the larger tablesaws, or license their tech to those already competing with SS.  Of course, there's a lawsuit underway as well.

 

"Sells for about $100 more.........."  When you stop and think about it, it is actually cheaper than the SS. The Reaxx has 2 cartridges built into the mechanism,so after the first fires off, you just switch to the second and get going again. And I understand the replacement cartridge set is cheaper by a few dollars than the SS for only a single cartridge. Plus you don't loose the blade,or the time to replace the cartridge each time . In SS defense tho, I have heard that if you send the first fired unit into SS they will replace it with a new cartridge, but not for a blade replacement. Also you have to give them a briefing on the incident so they can use it for advertising.

I know of a person who has set off 2 SS, one cutting through a hidden nail and the other with her thumb. she said that there was a nick in the skin, but no blood. She has gotten her monies worth already.

Herb

Edited November 22, 20169 yr by Dadio