Bought a set of six wrenches one day.   

 

Two were just common 1/2" combo style wrenches....@ 25 cents each

 

One was a Snapon XV-3842 Box end 1-3/16 x 1-5/16''   (Trailer hitch ball?)

 

Two LOOK like they were in a FORD Tool Kit.

 

And lastly, a "spanner" wrench?  It is marked as a Fairmount USA  # 464   3/8.    Thinking the 3/8  is the size of that pin sticking  out there?  Not sure WHAT it goes to.   Lathe chuck?  Ford Tranny?   Handle has a slight off-set to it, too. 

 

BTW: each of these wrenches was just 25 cent a piece.  

 

Any of the above worth keeping around?

Edited November 21, 20178 yr by Ron Dudelston
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The only Ford specific tools I've ever seen were plainly marked with the iconic script "Ford". 

Ok, after cleaning all that black paint/japanning off the two wrenches:

 

 

Non-bent one is a Williams.   1-1/8 x 1-1/16"    Has a "38" stamped on one end. Old style logo of an oval with J.H. Williams over a diamond, over a "brook. ny. usa"  ( ??)

 

 

The bent one has a simple logo:  an oval with a T through a c.   Also a 1" to 1-1/16"  on the open end, but is 5/8" at the box end.  No other markings on it, yet.  

 

Layers of flat black paint, a thick layer of black japanning under that, and some rust under that.  

That is indeed a spanner wrench for a shaft nut Streve.

Yep, spanner wrench. I have one that has the pin on a hinged piece, like this. I also have a couple that are hinged and have a hook on the end. BTW, my oinned one is also a J.W. Williams and co.; a 474.

Here is a bit of information I found on a site I use about Williams tools.

 

Manufacturing Dates

Williams tools are generally not marked with a date code or other explicit indication of the manufacturing date. When an estimate of the manufacturing date is needed, it will have to be based on other information such as company name markings, tool design style, patent markings, and other factors.

In order to assist with estimating manufacturing dates, we hope to develop some guidelines based on tool markings and other characteristics. For now, the following list of events and observations may be helpful in determining the manufacturing date for some tools.

• W-Diamond Logo. The Williams W-Diamond logo was registered as a trademark, with the first use listed as 1884.
• Brooklyn Marking. The company moved its headquarters from Brooklyn to Buffalo (New York) some time after 1919.
• Williams Scroll Logo. The Williams name underlined by the "S" was registered as a trademark, with the first use listed as 1924. The initial use on wrench faces included a W-Diamond logo below the scroll, with "Forged in U.S.A." or similar text.
• Superrench Trademark. The "Superrench" trademark was registered in 1925.
• Fractional Sizes for Wrench Openings. Until about 1927 Williams generally marked wrench openings with the nominal bolt size, using the older U.S.S., S.A.E., or other appropriate size convention. With the adoption of the American Standard system of sizing, wrench openings were marked with the fractional (across-flats) size.
• NX Series of 1 Inch Drive Tools. In the late 1930s Williams introduced 1 inch (square) drive tools in the NX series, a replacement for older hex drive tools.
• NM Series of 1/4-Drive Tools. In 1940 Williams introduced 1/4-drive tools in the NM- series as a replacement for 9/32 drive.
• Cadmium, Painted, or Plain Finish During Wartime Years. Due to material shortages during the 1941-1945 wartime years, the standard chrome plated finishes were replaced with cadmium plated, painted, or plain steel finishes.
• Rough Surface Finish on Wrench Faces During Wartime Years. Williams generally applied grinding and polishing operations to wrench faces prior to plating. During the 1941-1945 wartime years these final finishing steps were sometimes omitted, leaving the wrench faces with obvious lines from the last machining or grinding step. This type of rough machined surface can be easily distinguished from the random pitted surface caused by extensive rusting. An good example of the rough surface finish is provided by the Williams 1725B Open-End Wrench.
• Alloy Marking on "Superrench" Tools. In 1942 or soon thereafter Williams began using the "Alloy" marking for some tools, instead of the earlier "Chrome-Molybdenum" or "Chrome-Alloy" markings. This change was probably made due to material shortages during the wartime years, but shortly after the war Williams stopped mentioning specific alloys in its catalogs. Interested readers can review a more extensive discussion of this in the section on Alloy Specifications and Markings.
• "Williams U.S.A." Logo on Wrench Faces. Around 1947 the wrench face markings were updated to use the Williams scroll with "U.S.A." below, replacing the older W-Diamond logo. The W-Diamond logo continued to be marked on some tool shanks, and on smaller wrenches faces when the full Williams name wouldn't fit.
• Double-Groove Style for Sockets. The double-groove style for sockets (see for example the 1/2-Drive Double-Groove Sockets) was introduced around 1948.
• Ribbed-Style Open-End Wrenches. The "ribbed" style for open-end wrenches was introduced in 1952. This style remained in use until 1959, when it was replaced by the flat shank style.
• Raised Panels on Wrenches. The raised-panel wrench style was introduced in the mid 1950s, some time after the 1952 advent of the ribbed style. This style remained in use until 1959 for combination wrenches and until 1960 for box-end wrenches.
• Flat Shanks on Wrenches. The wrench style with flat shanks was introduced in 1959 for open-end and combination wrenches, and by 1960 for other wrench types.
• Cross-bar Holes with 1/2-Drive Deep Sockets. The SD-12xx series deep sockets were fitted with cross-bar holes until at least the mid 1950s, but by 1960 cross-bar holes had been discontinued.
• Cold-formed Sockets. By the mid 1970s Williams was using a cold-forming process (called "Impact Extruded" in the catalog) for making sockets in 3/8 through 1 inch drive sizes.

Face Markings on Wrenches

Williams changed the style of the face markings on its wrenches several times over the years, and these markings therefore provide an approximate guide to the manufacturing date.

Fig. 1. Williams Early "Brooklyn" Face Markings.

Fig. 1 shows an example of one of the earliest face markings, consisting the text "J.H. Williams & Co." and "Bklyn, N.Y. U.S.A.", typically stamped on the face of a wrench. Tools bearing this face marking generally also have a W-Diamond logo forged into the shank.

This marking is believed to have been used on early production, when the Brooklyn address referred to both the company's headquarters and its principal factory location. This mark will be referred to in the text as the early Brooklyn face marking.

Fig. 2. Williams Oval "Brooklyn" Face Markings.

Fig. 2 shows the first of a pair of similar markings, consisting of an oval outline with the text "J.H. Williams & Co." and "Brooklyn, U.S.A.", with the W-Diamond logo in the center. On smaller tools, the text was generally abbreviated further to fit in the available space.

The Brooklyn address suggests that this marking was used distinguish production in the Brooklyn factory, with the other oval logo (see next figure) indicating the Buffalo factory. Williams built its Buffalo factory in 1914, and the oval logos are believed to have been used from around 1914 until 1924. This mark will be referred to in the text as the JHW-Brooklyn logo.

Fig. 3. Williams Oval "Forged" Face Markings.

Fig. 3 shows the very similar oval outline with the text "J.H. Williams & Co." and "Forged in U.S.A.", again with the W-Diamond logo in the center.

This marking may have been used to distinguish production at the Buffalo factory (or other facilities) from the main Brooklyn factory and headquarters (see previous figure). Williams built its Buffalo factory in 1914, and the oval logos are believed to have been used from around 1914 until 1924. This mark will be referred to in the text as the JHW-Forged logo.

Fig. 4. Williams "Forged in U.S.A." Face Markings.

Around 1924 Williams updated its wrench face markings to the style shown in Fig. 4 at the left. The Williams name is underlined by a scroll from the terminal "S", and the text "Forged in U.S.A." appears below, with the W-Diamond logo in the center. The 1924 date is based on the trademark registration for the Williams name with the scroll underline, which lists 1924 as the first use date.

Several alternate forms of this style were used for smaller tools with insufficient space for the full "Forged in U.S.A." text. These alternates (in order of decreasing size) used the text "Made in U.S.A.", then "Made U.S.A.", and finally just "U.S.A." for the smallest tools. Examples of these markings can be found at various places in this article.

Fig. 5. Williams "U.S.A." Face Markings.

By 1947 Williams had updated its wrench face markings to the simpler style shown in Fig. 5 at the left. The Williams name remained underlined by a scroll, but the text below was simply "U.S.A." without the W-Diamond logo. (This example is highly polished, and the reflection made it a bit difficult to photograph.)

This style of marking was generally used on wrench faces from about 1947 until around 1955, after which the adoption of the ribbed wrench style forced the markings to move to the shank. This marking was also used on tools without a well-defined "face", being placed on the shank or some other part of a tool. We'll refer to this as the "Williams U.S.A." marking in the text.

Early Tools

The earliest tools produced by Williams were generally marked with "J.H. Williams & Co." and "Bklyn, N.Y. U.S.A." stamped on the face, or with similar markings forged into the tool. In some cases only the W-Diamond logo was marked on the tool.

Looks like mine in figure 2.    BIG, old wrench. 

 

Now, that other one   It has a oval, with a "T" through a c.   The box end is a hex style.  According to that site, it would be a Cresent Tool Co. logo. 

 

Well of the six 25 cent wrenches

1 from Cresent

1 from Snapon

1 from Williams

1 from Fairmount ( spanner wrench

1 from POWR-KRAFT ( 1/2"  combo)

and a Cresent LC-16 1/2 combo wrench. 

 

$1.50 for the group?

You did good with that group.