December 15, 201114 yr comment_36652 Anyone have any experience with this table saw? Â Would appreciate any opinions and comments.SQHappiness is wood chips flying! Report
December 15, 201114 yr comment_36660 Are you looking at purchasing one or have you got one?I don't have one, but if I were looking today to start fresh, I would surely give it a serious look. I think it is only a matter of time before the technology or some version of it will be on all the saws that come out. There is a great debate on whether if makes you more careless or less safe because you know if you get you hand too close it will stop the blade. I think no matter what you are doing or the type of saw you have, you have to give all or your attention to what you are doing. Knowing that I have that bit of added protection, in the event of a slip would sure be nice to have.It should never be looked at as a replacement for the proper use of a piece of equipment. Push sticks and blocks are still the correct way to make any cut.It think the biggest problem most of us, or at least some of us have it the fact they are trying to force it on the industry. Maybe that is the only way, but I think offering it out there on your product and making a good competitive product will cause it to get a serious look. It should be my option. If it were my option and I was in the market today for a new saw, and the price was comparable, even a little higher, I would give it serious consideration.John MoodyJohn Moody Woodworkshttp://www.johnmoodywoodworks.com Report
December 15, 201114 yr comment_36659 If you already have a table saw, I would stick with it. The prices are still pretty high and over time and technology advances the prices will come down. For the same reason John stated I don't like the idea of a company trying to force something on those that don't want or need it and using the government to achieve those ends. Report
December 16, 201114 yr comment_36658  john,  I think  the argument  that  it will make people "less careful" is  not that great.  personally  I watched a demo with a hotdog, and I have to say that if that was my finger  when that think went off  I would wet myself, thank God I have all my fingers,  and take the rest of the day off to reflect.  John Moody said:Are you looking at purchasing one or have you got one?I don't have one, but if I were looking today to start fresh, I would surely give it a serious look. I think it is only a matter of time before the technology or some version of it will be on all the saws that come out. There is a great debate on whether if makes you more careless or less safe because you know if you get you hand too close it will stop the blade. I think no matter what you are doing or the type of saw you have, you have to give all or your attention to what you are doing. Knowing that I have that bit of added protection, in the event of a slip would sure be nice to have.It should never be looked at as a replacement for the proper use of a piece of equipment. Push sticks and blocks are still the correct way to make any cut.It think the biggest problem most of us, or at least some of us have it the fact they are trying to force it on the industry. Maybe that is the only way, but I think offering it out there on your product and making a good competitive product will cause it to get a serious look. It should be my option. If it were my option and I was in the market today for a new saw, and the price was comparable, even a little higher, I would give it serious consideration.John MoodyJohn Moody Woodworkshttp://www.johnmoodywoodworks.com Report
December 16, 201114 yr comment_36657 I would give it serious consideration as well. The saw is up there with the uni's and PM's, the technology is pretty neat. I got a chance to run some boards through one a year ago and I loved it. Thank goodness I didn't have to try out the technology. Knock on wood. SawStop John Morris The Patriot Woodworker Report
December 16, 201114 yr comment_36656 LOL you are probably right, I would do the same thing. I have a feeling my knees would get very weak too! michael frankhauser said: john,  I think  the argument  that  it will make people "less careful" is  not that great.  personally  I watched a demo with a hotdog, and I have to say that if that was my finger  when that think went off  I would wet myself, thank God I have all my fingers,  and take the rest of the day off to reflect.  John Moody said: Report
February 22, 201214 yr comment_36655 Right now you can get a $10,000 Felder Hammer K3 winner with the 79" sliding table for about half off.http://www.hammerusa.com/us-us/products/table-saws/table-saw-k3-win...I would not even consider a SS with that deal available.While it is possible to jam your pinkies into the blade of the slider, the fact of the slider makes it extremely unlikely. Sliders are wonderfully safe machines because of the ability to make fixturing which you bolt to the table and into which you clamp your work . This removes you hands from the risk of blade contact. You can clamp a whole host of things to the table.The only down side most folks have with this particular machine is that the Rip Fence is less than impressive. But it serves  just fine once you get the hang of it. For ripping the rip fence is limited to little things because everything else goes on the slider.I've seen Incra fences mounted on the slider table that allow repetitive accurate thin ripping for things like Maloof style rocker rails and such. The large miter fence on the large adjustable table is so repeatable and accurate that I don't check square or angles any more. I set it and that's it. I can switch back and forth from 90 to 22.5 to 45 or whatever all in a smooth easy workflow and each and every time it always goes right back where it's supposed to.The slider with it's T track sets the owner free to do so much moreThere is a great debate on whether if makes you more careless or less safe because you know if you get you hand too close it will stop the blade. Interesting isn't it that any one can contemplate that? I mean it's a circular saw blade and it's going like hockey sticks. I can't imagine that any amount of Gee Whiz Technology hidden in the machine would ever cause me to think of it as harmless or less likely to injure.I think a person would have to be born and raised watching such machines refuse to ever cut any one over and over again before such a level of complacency would arise. But, if the SS technology is universally adopted, then the first generation of people who never used the older machines might very well have such a level of complacency. And that may end up being the unforeseen fly in the ointment that may cause the demise of the technology.Everything fails. It's all a question of time and odds. Report
February 22, 201214 yr comment_36654 I won't be buying one! Nor a Volt, either.Gene'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton Report
February 22, 201214 yr comment_36653 I won't be buying one! Nor a Volt, either. I have a slider. No SS can trump a big slider I don't want a volt either, but I think it'd be cool to have an electric truck - when they finally figure out batteries that is.  Right now battery technology is almost worthless. They are putting prototype research quality batteries (not industrial strength) in commercial applications and it's just plain stupid. Maybe in 10 or so years? Report
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