Covid 19 vaccine

[Ron Altier 7,972]

COVID 19 VACCINE

A lot of people are apprehensive about the coming Covid Vaccine. This morning I ran across my old 1965/66 military shot record. Keep in mind this does not include all the shots and vaccines I received before the military and all the shots I have received after 50+ years, including the ones we get every year now. 

 

4 Typhus, 2 small pox, 3 Cholera, 1 yellow fever, 3 Typhoid, 4 Tetanus, 4 polio, 4 flu, 3 Plague, a huge Gamma Globium that went by body weight. There are also some that are no longer readable. My shot record is probably average. The guys that served multiple countries and years would be an arm log.

 

Kinda make me think I should be immune to everything already. But I will get the covid shot

[Gene Howe 34,382]

I'll get it as soon as it's available.

[Fred W. Hargis Jr 10,923]

Our Governor announced yesterday that wave 1B of the vaccinations in Ohio includes those over 65. I will be there as soon as my name is called, and I believe my wife will as well. Marie does have some underlying medical conditions that could prevent her from being vaccinated...she'll have to figure that out with our Doc.

[Cal 8,363]

I have not seen the priority schedule for Georgia yet, I plan to get it as soon as it's available to me.  It warms my heart to see all these politicians that called it a "no-biggie" elbow their way to the front of the line...   but that's a different conversation.  Over the years I've also had my share of shots.  As a kid, everytime I stepped on a nail or jabbed my foot with a pitchfork (I was pretty clumsy) I would be carried to the doc for a tetanus shot.  A molasses poultice and a shot the next day.

[HandyDan 92,390]

I just hope they don't figure a way to screw the vaccine up too.  Waiting patiently.

[Gunny 56,238]

3 minutes ago, HandyDan said:

I just hope they don't figure a way to screw the vaccine up too.  Waiting patiently.

 

Or find out in 2 years we started the zombie apocalypse.

 

[HARO50 10,866]

Ontario declared that seniors over 70 were top priority, starting with those over 80. HUH???

 

[Larry Buskirk 14,734]

2 hours ago, Cal said:

It warms my heart to see all these politicians that called it a "no-biggie" elbow their way to the front of the line...  

...Let them..

2 hours ago, Gunny said:

start the zombie apocalypse.

...Too late they already did. 

[Cal 8,363]

This thread got my curiosity up so I looked over the Georgia DPH website and found the draft plans.  Going by these I would be in phase 1c.  No idea when that will be yet.  Right now the wife is in phase 2, but if it takes awhile to get here she will move up to 1c also.

 

I would encourage all of you that plan to take the shot to look over your state's public health website for a similar plan.

 

[FlGatorwood 9,671]

I will take it as soon as Moderna or Johnson & Johnson gets theirs on the shelf at the local health department.  Yesterday, our governor would not take it and said he would not skip to the head of the line because he is 42.  He signed an executive to vaccinate all medical, emergency responders, front line employees and nursing homes staff and residents first.  Second wave is all those who are over the age 65 will have the innoculation or those who have underlying conditions.  Ann has MS, Lupus and a few other things going on.  We will call the health department on Monday to see if we can get in line.  And, for those who don't take it, best of luck to you.  Those of us with the vaccination may be at your graveside.  We hope not.  

[John Morris 22,466]

 

I'll be in line when my group is called.

That being said, why are the powers that be just now trying to figure out priority and who should get the shot, we've not only had 9 months to think about it, plan it, and figure it all out, we've actually had decades since disaster planning has been a thing, surely we should have had protocols in place for priority when it comes to vaccines, and again, why at the last minute?

I am also at a quandary, why are we all the sudden having shortages in hospital beds. I remember back before Summer, the docs and scientists were warning us of a huge second wave around the Holidays and flu season. You'd think for the past six months, the hospitals would have been planning for this, and have mobile ICU rooms on the ready. Just piss poor planing all around, and I don't put the blame completely on the Feds, I put most of the blame on our states and our governors.

 

I live in California, we have earth quakes, you telling me all this time, we have not had a disaster plan in place for when the big one hits? That our hospitals have not submitted plans to FEMA or our Governors office for how to handle the mass casualties that are earthquake victims? Or worse, our own state government has not submitted any plans to FEMA on how to handle such an onslaught of victims?

The same can be said for this virus and the big wave, if we were able to accommodate the mass casualties of a big earthquake properly, with mobile ICU's standing by, then we should have been able to accommodate the relative lighter load of a virus out break, as compared to an entire city like Los Angeles during a 9.0 quake.

 

This has lead me to believe, that we are truly on our own when the big one hits, the big anything, this virus is nothing compared to what could happen, this whole thing is starting to turn me into a doomsday survivalist!

 

 

[Larry Buskirk 14,734]

@John Morris,

You probably wouldn't like my answer as I see it, as it has to do with politics and $$$. 

[Fred W. Hargis Jr 10,923]

I suspect there was a number of impairments in planning some of this out, not knowing how much vaccine would be available, timing of the deliveries, and such stuff. They may not even have been sure of what part of the population would be able to get it or not (like us old folks). The testing was just completed shortly before the approval to deploy; but it's all speculation on my part. That not to say I don't think it could have been done a whole lot better, but all of this is first time stuff (well, not really...there was the Spanish Flu thing). All I know for sure is that I'm glad I'm not the one who has to figure this stuff out.

[FlGatorwood 9,671]

@John Morris I have to agree that some form of protocol should have already been in place.  It was not that long ago that we had smallpox and polio on the rage and had vaccines and innoculation processes.  They should have known what the vaccine was going to be like, who needed it most, how to distribute and administer.  There should have been a national plan.  Pushing responsibility to the lowest level is a total cop out and an escape of responsibility.  It was Harry Truman, I think, that had the block on his desk with the words, "The Buck stops here."  I have to agree that it has been about politics, power and $$$$$.  Where is our sense of common decency and responsibility to ourselves and our fellow man?  Ok, I've said too much, but letting all know where I stand and I am not budging.  Out of here.

[John Morris 22,466]

53 minutes ago, FlGatorwood said:

Pushing responsibility to the lowest level is a total cop out and an escape of responsibility.

 

I don't think pushing responsibility to our Governors, who govern sovereign states, who are pretty much the president of each state, is pushing the responsibility to the low man, they are the high man, our governors have more power over their states than the President or the feds do. After all, we have/had, governors who stated they would not allow the distribution of the vaccines, so we can't have it both ways, blaming the feds, yet not blaming those governors.

If you read this article on History, you'll see even the Polio vaccines had rollout problems, big problems.

And quoted "Just three years earlier, during the worst polio outbreak in U.S. history, 57,000 people were infected, 21,000 were paralyzed and 3,145 died," those numbers are in no comparison to the virus we are seeing today.

 

How the Polio Vaccine Faced Distribution Shortages and Setbacks - HISTORY

WWW.HISTORY.COM

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The 1955 announcement of a new vaccine was met by jubilation. But then the problems began.

 

The feds only have so much power, our states have more, which lands the responsibility of final distribution on the shoulders of our Governors, the feds are distributing the vaccines to the states, the states are determining how they are ultimately distributed, because the states understand their own needs far better than the feds do, that is why we have sovereignty for our states. We can't look to the feds for everything, our states are supposed to be waaay more efficient for determining what is best for its citizens.

 

And I can't be budged either Steven. Love ya man!

 

 

[Al B 7,441]

 John,When an earthquake happens, the resources of the nation are available for a specific location. With the covid situation the whole nation is affected and the resources are spread nationwide. Most hospitals don't have the funds to suddenly provide more rooms, beds and staff. They require state and federal financial assistance. Some states took the needed action, though a bit late, while others did nothing.  With no federal plan for a national response, we ended up with each state doing their own thing until it had eventually spread nationwide. Now, we still have no national plan, some federal assistance to states but fifty different plans to beat a common problem. Why would you expect a national plan for vaccine distribution? Thank God for the effort the scientist put into developing the vaccines.

Edited December 27, 2020 by Al B

[John Morris 22,466]

@Al B, I'm respectfully bowing out of this one, I'm going to get in trouble with the Admins here. Seems I have a different view from most here regarding how this all happened, and how it was handled, I can respectfully disagree with most of you, and admire and respect you all at the same time. After all, we are grownups.  

Cheers!

[Al B 7,441]

Hey John, this is your house. You certainly have a right to your opinions. I do agree, we tend to disagree on this topic, but we are adults and not waving swords. Looks like the Admins is censoring itself.

[John Morris 22,466]

12 minutes ago, Al B said:

this is your house.

Now we must disagree! I have always said, this is not my house, this is yours! I don't make it what it is today, you all do! Without you all, we have no house.

Thanks Al, this house would never be the same without you.

[Gunny 56,238]

Some good points have been made about the reaction to, and seeming failure of various levels of leadership.  And I am sure we can make points for or against more federal or state involvement in this crisis.  I am not much for finger pointing and blame, mine is more practical.  What does it take to accomplish the objective.  And what failed that brought us to this long drawn out mess.  In this crisis it is blatantly obvious we have a very fragmented politically driven right or wrong mentality that is in leadership over us.  

 

We have think tanks that dream up worst case scenarios all the time.  And come up with action plans for such.  So we have people that understand what needs to be done.  But they just come up with the plan. The actual execution (if ever done) is performed by various layers of leadership.  In our case it is severely dysfunctional.  We have too many people behind the scenes pulling the strings, and people in leadership roles whose mouthwash ain't making it.     

 

I could cite many different cultures that fell throughout history but the easiest one is Rome.  They fragmented much like what we have and believed the Republic was to big to fail.  They were wrong.   

 

Do I think this is the end?  Hardly, this is a not that severe of a crisis.  What will happen with something more catastrophic?  Earthquake that drops an entire state into chaos?  Detonation of a nuclear warhead in a city?  Some superbug with a 50% plus fatality rate?  Alien invasion?