Danl Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 Not a good day today. The switch on my table saw went out in the off position. The saw is 21 yrs. old this yr. I had replaced the switch 5 yrs. ago. It was difficult to obtain because the saw is a Delta. I had my notes and ordered the same replacement switch. The switch was ordered from REPLACEMENT PARTS.com. They indicated that it will be 18-21 days for them to receive the switch from Delta warehouse and I paid to have 3-day turn-around from REPLACEMENT PARTS. This is all predicated that Delta really does have the part. I have been down this path before when I tried to get a replacement part for my refrigerator and ended up cancelling my order. Maybe a good time to purchase a SawStop. Wow. $3K for an on/off switch. Danl HARO50, Cal, Artie and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lew Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 If it is a magnetic starter switch, Grizzly sells them at a reasonable price. Cal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lew Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 Just looked at the diagrams for that saw. The switch looks very much like the one used on their lathes. I went through 2 switches then finally went to Lowe’s and bought a single throw double pole electrical switch. It worked but I couldn’t use the red off paddle Cal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danl Posted May 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, lew said: If it is a magnetic starter switch, Grizzly sells them at a reasonable price. It is not a magnetic starter switch. Darn the luck. Danl Cal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danl Posted May 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 Just now, lew said: Just looked at the diagrams for that saw. The switch looks very much like the one used on their lathes. I went through 2 switches then finally went to Lowe’s and bought a single throw double pole electrical switch. It worked but I couldn’t use the red off paddle Thanks for the advise. It may be my go-to switch. I do not know how long I can go without a table saw. Danl Artie and Cal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunny Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) Is it this one? If so I can swap this out this week. I prefer the paddle switches and keep two in stock. Just need a reason to get it done. Have two paddle switches on the Twins. Edited May 19, 2020 by Gunny Harry Brink, HARO50, Artie and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lew Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 My opinion is that the red paddle put stress on the switch mechanism causing it to fail. The defective switch can be disassembled and the internal parts put back in place- the internal parts aren’t broken. The switch should work for a while- at least mine did. But after the second one broke, I went with the DPST electrical wall switch HARO50, Gunny, Artie and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danl Posted May 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 I now see the problem. It got a little hot. Burned the white lead from the motor. Gunny, your switch looks like the same one. OEM p/n is 438-01-317-0127. Replacement p/n is 438010170206s. Thanks Lew, thank you for all the advise. Can there be a temporary fix? Danl Gunny, Cal, HARO50 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gunny Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Danl said: I now see the problem. It got a little hot. Burned the white lead from the motor. Gunny, your switch looks like the same one. OEM p/n is 438-01-317-0127. Replacement p/n is 438010170206s. Thanks Lew, thank you for all the advise. Can there be a temporary fix? Danl If you want this one send me a PM with address. I am off tomorrow so I can get it sent right off. I will look I might have the original wiring for it as well. Temp fix. 30 amp toggle switch, metal electrical box. Metal solid cover. Drill hole in cover for toggle switch and wire it up. You can make a bracket to hang it using machine bolts and nuts. HARO50, Harry Brink, Fred W. Hargis Jr and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lew Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 There is a temporary fix but I'll say up front IT MAY NOT BE THE BEST SOLUTION AND IS ONLY TEMPORARY- This is a Double Pole switch. It breaks both the Hot (Black) and Neutral (White). The neutral wire does not have any voltage on it and , if the shop is wired correctly, should be the same potential as ground. You can connect the loose white wire to the white wire still connected to the switch. This configuration will allow the saw to be used. My concern here is why the terminal burned off. I may have been a poorly made connection at the rivet which would have caused arcing and heat. In which case, my suggestion would be a temporary repair until you can replace the switch. DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT AN ELECTRICIAN AND DON'T EVEN PLAY ONE ON TV! My background is in electronics Artie, Gunny, HARO50 and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lew Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 I used one like this to fix my old Delta lathe- https://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-20-Amp-120-277-Volt-2-Pole-Commercial-Grade-AC-Quiet-Toggle-Switch-White-CS220-2W/301447040?MERCH=REC-_-pipsem-_-301447177-_-301447040-_-N THis is the 30 amp version- https://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-30-Amp-Industrial-Grade-Heavy-Duty-Double-Pole-Toggle-Switch-Red-3032-2R/301447115?MERCH=REC-_-pipsem-_-301447177-_-301447115-_-N Cal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunny Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 hour ago, lew said: I used one like this to fix my old Delta lathe- https://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-20-Amp-120-277-Volt-2-Pole-Commercial-Grade-AC-Quiet-Toggle-Switch-White-CS220-2W/301447040?MERCH=REC-_-pipsem-_-301447177-_-301447040-_-N THis is the 30 amp version- https://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-30-Amp-Industrial-Grade-Heavy-Duty-Double-Pole-Toggle-Switch-Red-3032-2R/301447115?MERCH=REC-_-pipsem-_-301447177-_-301447115-_-N These will work. I was thinking more a old style toggle switch. Usually a 1/2 - 5/8 inch hole for the stem. Artie and Cal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Dudelston Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 I have a 1947 Uni and the switch in it is just a double pole switch. I bought a 48 model that I parted out and it also had a standard DP switch. Artie, Cal and Gunny 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred W. Hargis Jr Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) I think those saws were convertible voltage (120V/240V)...you don't have yours wired 240V do you? if you do, don't try Lew's suggestion...the white will be hot. Edited May 19, 2020 by Fred W. Hargis Jr Artie, Cal and HARO50 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danl Posted May 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 15 minutes ago, Fred W. Hargis Jr said: I think those saws were convertible voltage (120V/240V)...you don't have yours wired 240V do you? if you do, don't try Lew's suggestion...the white will be hot. Thank you Fred for the warning/advise. No, I have it wired for 120V. The OEM switch lasted 16 yrs. The replacement lasted 5 yrs. I'm not in a position for a new saw and this one meets my needs. I noticed that the replacement switch fits many different pieces of equipment. Many probably do not get used as much as a TS. Danl Cal, HARO50, Artie and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Buskirk Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) @Danl https://www.ebay.com/itm/Delta-438010170206S-Rocker-Switch/232326998321?epid=846520504&hash=item3617c4a931:g:T1cAAOSw42dZD6MK $38.90 with free shipping. Edited May 19, 2020 by Larry Buskirk Cal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred W. Hargis Jr Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 If it's 120V, then Lew's suggestion should work until you can replace the switch. Cal and Artie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ron Dudelston Posted May 19, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Fred W. Hargis Jr said: I think those saws were convertible voltage (120V/240V)...you don't have yours wired 240V do you? if you do, don't try Lew's suggestion...the white will be hot. My switch is the original Art Deco toggle that was on it when it was built. Yep, wired for 240. Artie, Larry Buskirk, Cal and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Buskirk Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ron Dudelston said: My switch is the original Art Deco toggle that was on it when it was built. Yep, wired for 240. Those old Cutler Hammer switches are almost bullet proof! Cal, Artie and Gunny 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Dudelston Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 41 minutes ago, Larry Buskirk said: Those old Cutler Hammer switches are almost bullet proof! Look familiar? Fred W. Hargis Jr, Gunny, Larry Buskirk and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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