some advanced joinery found on the internet

[kmealy]

I'm sure glad I can learn a lot about woodworking on the internet.   Here's a couple of the first few hits on "types of wood joints"

I am going to practice making dovetials [sic] like this and get a good, strong joint.  Seems kind of wasteful of wood, though.   I will have to wait until I have some turkey legs before I can get a tendon for a mortise and tendon [sic] joint, too.

 

They obviously stole the above from Bob Vila (or vice-versa)

 

I think I will also make some of these very strong dovetail joints. (found at another site 8 joints you need to know)

 

 

And I am going to look for some of those marvelous square profile biscuits, but I may need to change the cutter on my biscuit joiner machine.  Trying to figure out the difference between a miter joint and a mitered butt joint, too.

 

 

And your standard dowel joint,  described as, "You’ll find dowel joints on woodworking items where visible screws or nails are not desirable, such as high-end cabinetry, bookcases, and custom stairways."   This is a very attractive and strong joint that I'd expect to see on high-end cabinetry.

 

 

All can say is, "Geez, glad I have 40 years experience."

[lew]

45 minutes ago, kmealy said:

This is a very attractive and strong joint that I'd expect to see on high-end cabinetry.

[Gunny]

From the menu I will have two butt joints with a side of Rabbit joint, with the salad, ranch dressing please.

[Gerald]

Strange to say being in the medical field is that probably the original word was tendon . Cptn Eddie says it was in his text books when he went to trade school in New Orleans. Not sure but I think that one of the old timers on the old Wood forums also called it tendon, might have been Ralph. Could not find a written reference just a note that the old timers did say this.

[Gene Howe]

Kinda reminds me of our sons interpretations.  There was the Morris and Tenyun, the Hock-en-pocka (helicopter) and the radio alarm saw. And, they couldn't understand why our little Japanese pickup was named after a wiener dog. 

[Gunny]

14 minutes ago, Gene Howe said:

and the radio alarm saw

[Fred W. Hargis Jr]

...at least they spelled "rabbet" correctly.

[Gene Howe]

1 hour ago, Fred W. Hargis Jr said:

...at least they spelled "rabbet" correctly.

They could've used the British spelling.... "Rebate".  

At least, we don't see references to "Tongue" oil any more. 

[Michael Thuman]

Do we all agree for fine furniture the best joints are M&T (Case) and Dove Tail (DT) Drawers or boxes?

For M&T the Tenon is to be 1/3 the thickness of the peice so if the T of the peice is 3/4 then the tenon is 1/4.

But if for examply you are building a building then T is 1.5 or 2 and tenon is .5 or .66

Do you prefer hidden M & T or exposed M & T?

Do you prefer half blind DT or thru DT?

 

Personally I prefer half blind DT and hidden M & T.

 

 

[Gene Howe]

57 minutes ago, Michael Thuman said:

Do you prefer hidden M & T or exposed M & T?

Do you prefer half blind DT or thru DT?

 

Personally I prefer half blind DT and hidden M & T.

 

 

Kinda, depends on the project. On my Morris chairs and A&C furniture, I use through tenons. For most other applications, they're hidden.

 

 

[kmealy]

1 hour ago, Michael Thuman said:

Do we all agree for fine furniture the best joints are M&T (Case) and Dove Tail (DT) Drawers or boxes?

For M&T the Tenon is to be 1/3 the thickness of the peice so if the T of the peice is 3/4 then the tenon is 1/4.

But if for examply you are building a building then T is 1.5 or 2 and tenon is .5 or .66

Do you prefer hidden M & T or exposed M & T?

Do you prefer half blind DT or thru DT?

 

Personally I prefer half blind DT and hidden M & T.

 

 

It all depends.   I stopped watching Norm Abrams when he used a half-blind dovetail from a dovetail jig on the base molding of a piece of furniture.

 

I now occasionally watch This Old House.  It is not obvious at all that Festool is a sponsor.  A few years ago they were edge gluing some boards for a window seat.   Tommy was using Dominos on the edge joint he was gluing.   I'm thinking, "Well there's an $800 tool doing a job that does not need to be done."

There are also people who are blind slaves to golden ratio for everything.  There are lots of pleasing proportions.

 

end of rant

[John Morris]

And a few more links from our own wiki!

 

See the joints with the dotted underlines, hover over those words, you'll see an image of the joint.

Wiki | Glossary of Woodworking Joints

THEPATRIOTWOODWIKI.ORG

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Wiki

 

And of course our own Mortise and Tenon page.

Wiki | Mortise and Tenon

THEPATRIOTWOODWIKI.ORG

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Wiki

 

[John Morris]

19 hours ago, Gerald said:

Strange to say being in the medical field is that probably the original word was tendon . Cptn Eddie says it was in his text books when he went to trade school in New Orleans. Not sure but I think that one of the old timers on the old Wood forums also called it tendon, might have been Ralph. Could not find a written reference just a note that the old timers did say this.

We happen to have the answer to that Gerald, you can view it here at:

Wiki | Mortise and Tenon

THEPATRIOTWOODWIKI.ORG

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Wiki

 

[Gerald]

17 hours ago, John Morris said:

We happen to have the answer to that Gerald, you can view it here at:

Wiki | Mortise and Tenon

THEPATRIOTWOODWIKI.ORG

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Wiki

 

John that is a great piece and covering history is enlightening but still do not see reference to tendon.

[John Morris]

17 minutes ago, Gerald said:

enlightening but still do not see reference to tendon.

As far as I know, Tendon was never used in the context of mortise and tenon. Capt. Eddie may have mistaken it for something else, and old timers use words they been using for years, even if in error. I'd wager Tendon is not nor never was used in the context of joinery, but only in error.

You'll probably never find reference to Tendon for the joint, because it was never used in the proper terminology.

[Adam Welker]

1 hour ago, John Morris said:

As far as I know, Tendon was never used in the context of mortise and tenon. Capt. Eddie may have mistaken it for something else, and old timers use words they been using for years, even if in error. I'd wager Tendon is not nor never was used in the context of joinery, but only in error.

You'll probably never find reference to Tendon for the joint, because it was never used in the proper terminology.

I’d agree with this. Historical examples as far back as the 1500s (and perhaps further back?) refer to the joint as a mortice and tenon. The OP is the first time I’ve ever heard it called a tendon. 

[HandyDan]

5 hours ago, Adam Welker said:

I’d agree with this. Historical examples as far back as the 1500s (and perhaps further back?) refer to the joint as a mortice and tenon. The OP is the first time I’ve ever heard it called a tendon. 

 

Google    mortise and tendon   there is no shortage of reference to it.  This is the first link to show when I did.  Happily it was a reference to a question in their forums.

 

Mortise and Tendon Joints | This Old House

 

https://www.thisoldhouse.com › discussions › topic › mortise-and-tendon-j...

Dec 11, 2010 - Is there a trick to making a mortise and tendon joint? I use a tendoning jig and mortise machine. I make both the same size. Sometimes they go ...

[Adam Welker]

1 hour ago, HandyDan said:

 

Google    mortise and tendon   there is no shortage of reference to it.  This is the first link to show when I did.  Happily it was a reference to a question in their forums.

 

Mortise and Tendon Joints | This Old House

 

https://www.thisoldhouse.com › discussions › topic › mortise-and-tendon-j...

Dec 11, 2010 - Is there a trick to making a mortise and tendon joint? I use a tendoning jig and mortise machine. I make both the same size. Sometimes they go ...

I wouldn’t doubt that such a misnomer exists by any stretch. Just goes to show you can’t believe everything you read on those internets. 

[John Morris]

4 hours ago, HandyDan said:

Google    mortise and tendon   there is no shortage of reference to it.  This is the first link to show when I did.  Happily it was a reference to a question in their forums.

Not denying you won't find it used in places Dan, but I'd challenge anyone to find an official reference to it, from whence and thence did it come from? Is there any historical accuracy to "tendon"? I think folks just mispronounced Mortise and Tenon, they thought they were hearing tendon, but what was being said was tenon. Then they continued to use tendon inaccurately. It's like Chimney, some folks pronounce it "Chimminy" but that is wrong. Just because it was said wrongly doesn't make it correct. I'd like to challenge anyone to find Tendon in any reference type such as a book, magazine, any written literature etc. What a neat subject! I love this detective stuff!

[Gunny]

5 minutes ago, John Morris said:

but I'd challenge anyone to find an official reference to it, from whence and thence did it come from? Is there any historical accuracy to "tendon"?

Took me a awhile but I found it.  The guy is kinda long on the explanation but hey it was a long time ago.