MaDeuce Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 Ok... I've tried several different hinges (BTW, I will NEVER use a piano hinge again... I officially hate them now) for my concealed cabinets, but can't seem to find one that works for me. Trying to make a horizontally hinged cabinet (open overhead or down). None of them seem to work the way I need/want. Now I know that it is highly likely due to operator error. I've tried using the 110 degree hinges, but it doesn't even open to 90. I don't think I can use the sunk concealed hinge because the face is slightly less than 3/4", the 'base' is the 1.5" side of a 2x4. Here's a rough diagram of what I am working with... The face sits flush (maybe SLIGHTLY offset from the edge). The measurements are the same whether it's a top or bottom hinged cabinet. For a bottom hinged cabinet, it needs to open to at least 90 degrees (it will have chains to keep it from dropping past 90). For top hinged, it needs to open past 90 degrees, preferably around 135 degrees. Thoughts? John Morris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaDeuce Posted March 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 The black gate style hinges work well, but not exactly concealed. Piano hinge was a major PITA and also not fully concealed. I have used some of the (can't remember what they're called....) non-mortised hinges, but because of the offset, it only opened about 80 degrees (so that one ended up being my husbands cabinet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Morris Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 Ma, just a good ol fashioned hinge should do the job well, I wouldn't get too fancy, specially since you are putting a limit chain to restrict the swing to a certain point. MaDeuce and Gunny 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaDeuce Posted March 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 I have those too, but I would ideally like them to be concealed so its less obvious that its a cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaDeuce Posted March 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 and the limit chain is for the downward opening. For the upward opening, it needs to be able to keep itself open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lew Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) With a Blum hinge you only need to drill the cup hole 1/2" deep. compact_ma_dok_bus_$sus_$aof_$v1.pdf Check the PDF Edited March 17, 2019 by lew Gunny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Morris Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, MaDeuce said: and the limit chain is for the downward opening. For the upward opening, it needs to be able to keep itself open. How about something like this, the concept I mean, there are tons of hardware out there with less elaborate arms. And you can have a simple concealed hinge like shown in the image. MaDeuce and Gunny 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Buskirk Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 Ma, Check shutter hinges, they may just be what you're looking for, and lid props would work for the overhead opening doors. Menards has both under $3.00 each. MaDeuce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatuffej Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 I must be denser than leadwood....I don't understand your issues. I have used piano hinges successfully on cabinets and other standard hinges on doors and lids, both horizontal and vertical. I have mounted them either flush to surfaces or inside beds. I understand the limit chain for the down door but the up door will need some sort of holding mechanism either part of the hinge or separate from it. MaDeuce and Dadio 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaDeuce Posted March 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, John Morris said: How about something like this, the concept I mean, there are tons of hardware out there with less elaborate arms. And you can have a simple concealed hinge like shown in the image. What are those called or where can I find them? The few I could find were too large or were thin metal (that warped when I installed it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lew Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, MaDeuce said: The black gate style hinges work well, but not exactly concealed. Piano hinge was a major PITA and also not fully concealed. I have used some of the (can't remember what they're called....) non-mortised hinges, but because of the offset, it only opened about 80 degrees (so that one ended up being my husbands cabinet) Use double sided sticky tape to position and hold the piano hinges when drilling the holes. Makes life a whole lot easier. Edited March 17, 2019 by lew Artie, Dadio, MaDeuce and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaDeuce Posted March 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 Just now, hatuffej said: I must be denser than leadwood....I don't understand your issues. I have used piano hinges successfully on cabinets and other standard hinges on doors and lids, both horizontal and vertical. I have mounted them either flush to surfaces or inside beds. I understand the limit chain for the down door but the up door will need some sort of holding mechanism either part of the hinge or separate from it. I think it was just the irritation of trying to get it flush AND the door square to the frame. It was more aggravation than was worth for this type of project lol Gunny and hatuffej 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MaDeuce Posted March 17, 2019 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 minute ago, lew said: Use double sided sticky tape to position and hold the hinges when drilling the holes. Makes life a whole lot easier. See THIS is why I come here.... to learn all the "why didn't I think of that" tricks LOL John Morris, Harry Brink, Gunny and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stick486 Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 rabbet for the piano hinge... use a concealed hinge... use a lid stay... https://www.thehardwarehut.com/cabinet-lid-stays.php MaDeuce and Gunny 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MaDeuce Posted March 19, 2019 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 So, was installing drawer hinges on one of the concealed cabinets (so the front slides down). I was spending WAY too much time and gaining too much aggravation and gave up yesterday. Then this morning, I remembered y'alls double sided tape suggestion. WORKED LIKE A CHARM! Artie, lew, p_toad and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunny Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 50 minutes ago, MaDeuce said: WORKED LIKE A CHARM! NICE!! MaDeuce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hatuffej Posted March 20, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 3 hours ago, MaDeuce said: So, was installing drawer hinges on one of the concealed cabinets (so the front slides down). I was spending WAY too much time and gaining too much aggravation and gave up yesterday. Then this morning, I remembered y'alls double sided tape suggestion. WORKED LIKE A CHARM! I knew you would win!! Gene Howe, MaDeuce, Dadio and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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