kmealy Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 Well, I have two of them. https://www.wwgoa.com/article/5-expensive-but-worth-every-penny-woodworking-tools/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=A5439&vsoid=A5439 lew 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven newman Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 Just one.....and it didn't cost that much....12" combo square.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stick486 Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 25 minutes ago, kmealy said: Well, I have two of them. get the LV over the LN... http://www.leevalley.com/us/wood/page.aspx?p=46791&cat=1,41182,41189,46791 http://www.leevalley.com/us/wood/page.aspx?p=56665&cat=1,230,41182 no need for the Starretts as long as what you do have is accurate... lew 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lew Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 Have a 4" Starrett combo square, a Dozuki saw and a little PC trim router. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandyDan Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 I have the Starret squares Stanley adjustable mouth block plane Bosch trim router Pull saws but not the expensive ones. lew 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Howe Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 Got two. The little Bosch router and the pull saws...got several of those. My Combo squares are all Stanley rust hunt finds. lew and HARO50 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 I have the Starett 4" combo square and the Starett 12 " combo with the Center head and protractor head. lew 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadio Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 I sold my Starrett,and bought 2 Stanleys, I have several pull saws but like my LV/LN Gents saw best. To me the Starrett is overkill for wood working, great for when I was metal working. 4 trim routers,none Bosch, waiting for them to wear out before I buy a Bosch. lew and HARO50 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Dadio said: . To me the Starrett is overkill for wood working Are you saying perfect 90's are overkill for woodworking ? lew and p_toad 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stick486 Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 20 minutes ago, It Was Al B said: Are you saying perfect 90's are overkill for woodworking ? any square that is accurate will do that... lew 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadio Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 20 minutes ago, It Was Al B said: Are you saying perfect 90's are overkill for woodworking ? No, but .001" are. Herb lew and HARO50 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gerald Posted February 11, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 I have 2 protractor head Staretts (inherited) 2 regular staretts all 12 inch 1 6 inch Starett 1 4 inch Starett 1 palm router 2 pull saws both from LV Does that make me the winner? Al B, HARO50, p_toad and 3 others 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Dadio said: No, but .001" are. I spent almost 20 years as a machinist/toolmaker It taught me that the ability to measure very closely is never a disadvantage and that tolerance stack can best be addressed by working to the tightest tolerances possible. p_toad and lew 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpadave52 Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 Amazing any furniture pieces made by the Shakers and other 18th century craftsman even survived w/o use of these tools or electricity...just sayin Al B, lew, HARO50 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, Grandpadave52 said: Amazing any furniture pieces made by the Shakers and other 18th century craftsman even survived w/o use of these tools or electricity...just sayin It was achieved Dave, but in today's world, if you want to make a living at it, accurate tools and power tools are needed to keep you competative. Speed is definitely a factor today. HARO50, Grandpadave52, Dadio and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Grandpadave52 Posted February 11, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, It Was Al B said: Speed is definitely a factor today. I don't disagree in that regard Al, but for the average home woodworker speed or accuracy to .001" is typically not a factor unless you're mass producing parts that consistently need to be replicated. Any measuring device, square etc. technically is only as accurate as it is initially calibrated and verified to the next higher level and so on eventually traceable to NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology). Buying high dollar combo squares doesn't guarantee it's accuracy any more so than a less expensive one unless it's purchased accurate certifiable traceable back to NIST. A simple example of this is to purchase 3 standard 12' tape measures and layout marks as various points. If the tapes are from the same manufacturer and lot numbers, likely they'll be very close; if from different manufactures, unlikely they'll match from 0-12'. I'm not bashing Starrett (or others)...in fact, I own some of their combo squares with center & angle finder (one was my grand-dads), micrometers and dial indicators from my previous work lives...all good...none have been calibrated nor re-certified for some time, so are they accurate? Maybe? However, for my work, they are satisfactory...my 0-1" mic measures the same as my $9.99 H-F digital calipers...I do have a 1" "plug" which came with the mic to "adjust" the mic when needed. However if the 1" plug is not certified then is it really 1"? Even then, that only ensures its accurate at 1"...not the full range. Personally, I'll never be good enough in the wood-shop to need wood dimensions to .001"; well truthfully probably not even 0.01" or maybe even 0.10." Shucks, somebody's gotta' keep the wood glue & filler manufacturers in business. Gerald, Dadio, HARO50 and 4 others 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gene Howe Posted February 11, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 I rarely use any measuring device beyond the rough cutting stage. Well, I guess key way stock and 1,2,3 blocks plus a set open end wrenches are devices of a sort. Heck, wood moves. Often a lot more than 00.1". lew, Al B, Grandpadave52 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 You're right Dave. That degree of accuracy is a bit of overkill. I definitely wouldn't try to compare my woodworking skills to that of some of the folks here. My problem with the cheaper combination squares is that they are usually made of materials that don't hold the accuracy over time, either because of over tightening , or dropping, or bending etc. I've dropped my Starett several times over the years. What happens is the tightening pin usually breaks, but they are easily replaceable. I usually keep at least one pin on hand. I 've never bent a rule or even broken the level on the Starett. With confidence, it has always been my "go to" tool to check the accuracy of the 90's and 45's that are cut on TS, SCMS, and BS. Grandpadave52, p_toad and lew 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarletjim Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 Have 12" Starrett but without protractor head, 4" LV double square, Ridgid trim router, two Dozukis one crosscut, one rip cut, and LV low angle block plane. My most reliable 90 degree device in my table saw sled that sighted in via the 5 cut method ala William Ng. Gene Howe, lew and Al B 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerald Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 For accuracy I check with a plastic drafting triangle. Then there is the old line on the bench , flip the square mark again . Then compare the lines for parallel. steamshovel, Cal and HARO50 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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