Popular Post Dadio Posted July 26, 2017 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 4 hours ago, schnewj said: One of the YouTubers (Nick Ferry, I think) uses one all of the time. Although not cheap, they can turn even a crappy miter into a usable tool. I can see them as a great time and material saver, getting the right (accurate) angle the first time, every time, and not having to recut a piece because the angle was wrong and now the piece is too short. This is what sold me on the tool was that the standard 30,60,45,90 degree angles are basically easy to set up accurately with squares ,triangles,and protractors, the odd angles become trial and error. Just .1 degree on a 11 sided polygon, (hendecagon) will give you a total error of 2.2 degree when assembled. Fer example I made a wooden bucket one time that was supposed to have 32 staves ( icosidodecagon ), when I went to assemble it the last stave was wide open on the last joint. By removing one stave it was perfect,so it ended up a 31 stave bucket (triacontakaihenagon) and only I knew the difference. But when I went to attach the bail, instead of being straight across it was one stave off. Herb Cal, schnewj, HARO50 and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandyDan Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 What's a good miter gauge cost? With this I see where two miters gauges can be set and not have to flip the stock over giving nicer grain lines to the piece. Gene Howe, Cal, Grandpadave52 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadio Posted July 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 I was thinking the same thing,Dan. Herb Grandpadave52 and Gene Howe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HARO50 Posted July 26, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 Half the cost of a top-of-the-line miter gauge, and you can set all the gauges in your shop to a dead accuracy! Ya gotta love THAT! John Cal, Chips N Dust, Grandpadave52 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieL Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) On 7/26/2017 at 7:22 AM, schnewj said: They need to do a better job of marketing...laws of supply and demand apply, more supply and demand...the lower the price... Thats great that they are made in the USA, but it's certainly not something that everyone needs, such as myself who feels that there is a better way to make crosscuts then with a table saw. Plus the ever declining number of woodworkers is going to make it a tough sell all the way around. Edited July 29, 2017 by CharlieL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post schnewj Posted July 30, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 14 hours ago, CharlieL said: Thats great that they are made in the USA, but it's certainly not something that everyone needs, such as myself who feels that there is a better way to make crosscuts then with a table saw. Plus the ever declining number of woodworkers is going to make it a tough sell all the way around. Point taken...however, for an above average tablesaw jockey being able to set and cut stock for segmented pieces accurately, without trial and error and wasted stock, it is well worth the price of admission. The price is less than or comparable to most tools that woodworkers buy to perform skill improvement projects. A good quality dovetail saw (just as an example) is about the same price as this tool. Not everyone hand cuts tenons or dovetails, Yet, the saws are in demand. That doesn't indicate a soft woodworking market to me. I have seen these used but have never seen them advertised. Personally, I never went looking for them. The point I'm trying to make, is, that, if they would advertise and market better the market demand would probably increase. I see these as a great tools to save time, money and frustration. I DON'T trust the accuracy of most miter gauges. You have to get fussy with them to get them just right and they don't always allow for the oddball X+1/2° angle as Herb pointed out. This tool ensures a quick, accurate, and no-brainer way to set the gauges up. Even a piece of garbage stock miter gauge becomes accurate as long as it will lock down solidly. HARO50, Grandpadave52, Dadio and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieL Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, schnewj said: Point taken...however, for an above average tablesaw jockey being able to set and cut stock for segmented pieces accurately, without trial and error and wasted stock, it is well worth the price of admission. A good quality dovetail saw (just as an example) is about the same price as this tool. Not everyone hand cuts tenons or dovetails, Yet, the saws are in demand. That doesn't indicate a soft woodworking market to me. I see these as a great tools to save time, money and frustration. I DON'T trust the accuracy of most miter gauges. You have to get fussy with them to get them just right and they don't always allow for the oddball X+1/2° angle as Herb pointed out. This tool ensures a quick, accurate, and no-brainer way to set the gauges up. Even a piece of garbage stock miter gauge becomes accurate as long as it will lock down solidly. How many trim carpenters use a table saw for crosscuts ? There are plenty of indicators that the market has been going soft, and continues to do so. For quite a few years already this country has not been very appreciative to people that work with their hands. Edited July 30, 2017 by CharlieL p_toad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dadio Posted July 30, 2017 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 1 hour ago, CharlieL said: How many trim carpenters use a table saw for crosscuts ? There are plenty of indicators that the market has been going soft, and continues to do so. For quite a few years already this country has not been very appreciative to people that work with their hands. This debate could go on forever,but the point of this thread was to review this particular tool/ jig for people looking to use the table saw for cutting miters. I agree that trim carpenters don't use table saws to cut trim, it would be uneconomical and most jobs don't have a table saw available because of the Corporate Risk Management Policies. And that type of work is not suited for table saws. Hence the Chop Saw fills that requirement. As Bill points out the miter gauge for tables saws are difficult to set at odd fractions of an angle, and I might add the chop[saws are too, without a lot of fussing. I use my RA saw for cross cutting 90 deg. cuts up to 14" wide, and use the table saw to cross cut wider material. I don't like chop saws, and they are limited too in a lot of ways. But this is all shop work not site work, and this jig is very fast and accurate for what it does,is quality made, and reasonable priced. I respect your position and admire and appreciate the fact you and others can do the same job by hand, I just don't have that kind of patients, and understand that there are many ways to do the same task. Herb Grandpadave52, Cal, Chips N Dust and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Grandpadave52 Posted July 30, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, Dadio said: This debate could go on forever,but the point of this thread was to review this particular tool/ jig for people looking to use the table saw for cutting miters. I agree that trim carpenters don't use table saws to cut trim, it would be uneconomical and most jobs don't have a table saw available because of the Corporate Risk Management Policies. And that type of work is not suited for table saws. Hence the Chop Saw fills that requirement. As Bill points out the miter gauge for tables saws are difficult to set at odd fractions of an angle, and I might add the chop[saws are too, without a lot of fussing. I use my RA saw for cross cutting 90 deg. cuts up to 14" wide, and use the table saw to cross cut wider material. I don't like chop saws, and they are limited too in a lot of ways. But this is all shop work not site work, and this jig is very fast and accurate for what it does,is quality made, and reasonable priced. I respect your position and admire and appreciate the fact you and others can do the same job by hand, I just don't have that kind of patients, and understand that there are many ways to do the same task. Herb Well stated...Thanks Herb!!...I learned along time ago there are many ways up, down and around a tree. I appreciated not only your PIP review, but the awareness of such tools...it demonstrated that American ingenuity and quality can still be had an economical price. Dadio, Gene Howe, HARO50 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gene Howe Posted July 30, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 I know of no faster nor, more accurate method to get a perfect miter cut in 1/2 degree increments. Mine is used quite often. Pssst, there is a way to use it on a miter saw or RAS. I'll tell ya but, it'll cost ya a bag of donuts. p_toad, Cal, HARO50 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadio Posted July 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 48 minutes ago, Gene Howe said: I know of no faster nor, more accurate method to get a perfect miter cut in 1/2 degree increments. Mine is used quite often. Pssst, there is a way to use it on a miter saw or RAS. I'll tell ya but, it'll cost ya a bag of donuts. Only have these left,Gene , help your self. Herb Grandpadave52, Cal and HARO50 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpadave52 Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Dadio said: Only have these left,Gene , help your self. Herb ...Stick apparently has been there already! @Chips N Dust will take down the two maple bars before the rest of us can get through TSA. Leaves the two muffins for Gene cause those cinnamon buns are now spoken for! HARO50, Chips N Dust, Dadio and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Howe Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 Well, doggonit anyway. Thanks, Herb. Guess I'm too late again, though. Cal, Grandpadave52, HARO50 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post schnewj Posted July 30, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 5 hours ago, CharlieL said: How many trim carpenters use a table saw for crosscuts ? There are plenty of indicators that the market has been going soft, and continues to do so. For quite a few years already this country has not been very appreciative to people that work with their hands. I blame the educations system! In the past four or five decades we have been pushing our children to "go to college and get an education"! NOT all kids are college material. Yet we push them into it and away from the service oriented professions. We need to get back to teaching trades and skills instead of running up a surplus of educated idiots. I was pushed into college and I don't regret it. I made a very good living. However, my first love has always been working with my hands. I learned everything that I could from basics to finished product. Not everybody is that ambitious, though! Especially, the majority of the "electronics" kids of today. Bottom line is I have much more respect for the person who can do, rather than the person who can hire it done. As for appreciating those who work with their hands, I have the greatest respect for those people. Unfortunately, true craftsmanship has been replace by the mantra "faster, cheaper, and better". The people who practice that, have no respect from me. You can only have two of the three if you want good products. Some people no longer have pride in their work...they only do it for the paycheck. Cal, John Morris, lew and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dadio Posted July 30, 2017 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 +1 What Bill said. I only lasted in college 3 years and couldn't take anymore of those proffessors standing up front for an hour each session spouting how much they knew and not teaching one darned thing ,not even cracking open the text book they wrote and made you buy for $20. (which was a good sum then). I went in the service then went logging and construction the next 45 years and loved every minute of it. Herb Grandpadave52, Cal, Chips N Dust and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARO50 Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 1 hour ago, schnewj said: We need to get back to teaching trades and skills instead of running up a surplus of educated idiots. Well put, Bill, and I couldn't agree more! John Cal, Gene Howe and Dadio 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieL Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) That would be nice, but first we need the jobs to stay here in this country, and pay a respectable wage. Regardless of what someone said in their campaign, I don't see any of it happening anytime soon. Edited July 31, 2017 by CharlieL Fred W. Hargis Jr, Cal, HARO50 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stick486 Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 On 7/26/2017 at 5:16 AM, John Morris said: I bet he did Stick. I bet he did. Keep up the great snork, err I mean work! yup... a moment before the boom dropped... HARO50 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadio Posted August 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 On 7/30/2017 at 8:35 AM, CharlieL said: How many trim carpenters use a table saw for crosscuts ? There are plenty of indicators that the market has been going soft, and continues to do so. For quite a few years already this country has not been very appreciative to people that work with their hands. Charlie, I hope I didn't disrespect you when I responded to your post, sometimes things I write don't come out right in the end and are taken another way than I intended. I deeply apologize if I offended you in any way. Everyone matters here on this forum and that is what makes it a great forum. Please don't leave we need everyone's input. Herb HARO50, Grandpadave52, Cal and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieL Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dadio said: Charlie, I hope I didn't disrespect you when I responded to your post, sometimes things I write don't come out right in the end and are taken another way than I intended. I deeply apologize if I offended you in any way. Everyone matters here on this forum and that is what makes it a great forum. Please don't leave we need everyone's input. Herb Herb, your fine, no disrespect was taken from you. Edited August 1, 2017 by CharlieL Cal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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