Stick486 Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 6 hours ago, schnewj said: However, you will not convince me that Amazon does not know that this counterfeiting is happening. They should be taking steps to police their own business. If they fail to do so, people will wise up and stop doing business with them. Slap them in their pocket book... it works... Remember Starbucks??? almost over night too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Howe Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 Luckily, I've not ever been burnt in an online transaction. Hope that holds because we're pretty dependent on online purchases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stick486 Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 On 4/19/2017 at 3:16 PM, schnewj said: "Caveat emptor", or for those of you who didn't take Latin, "Let the buyer beware". Podcast: Dangers of Counterfeit Goods In an interview with CFIF, Kasie Brill, Senior Director of Brand Protection at the Global Intellectual Property Center of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, discusses the U.S. Customs and Border Protection campaign, "The Truth Behind Counterfeits," and the negative impacts of purchasing counterfeit goods. Listen to the interview now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stick486 Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 more on counterfeit.... not is immune nor safe... The secret war against counterfeit science... .........''Huang was shocked to see names such as Abcam and Cell Signaling Technology on labels that looked exactly like those on vials of expensive antibodies produced by the Western companies. Although the writing meant nothing to the friendly shop owner, for Huang it directly corroborated what he and a number of his colleagues had long suspected: many of the antibodies sold by Chinese distributors were not what they were supposed to be. Counterfeiters were getting fake and diluted research reagents on to the market, and this shop in Zhongguancun, Beijing’s premier technology park, was one of the places they were buying machines to make their labels. “I had a suspicion. That confirmed it,” Huang says.''....... Artie, Cal, p_toad and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Howe Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Stick486 said: more on counterfeit.... not is immune nor safe... The secret war against counterfeit science... .........''Huang was shocked to see names such as Abcam and Cell Signaling Technology on labels that looked exactly like those on vials of expensive antibodies produced by the Western companies. Although the writing meant nothing to the friendly shop owner, for Huang it directly corroborated what he and a number of his colleagues had long suspected: many of the antibodies sold by Chinese distributors were not what they were supposed to be. Counterfeiters were getting fake and diluted research reagents on to the market, and this shop in Zhongguancun, Beijing’s premier technology park, was one of the places they were buying machines to make their labels. “I had a suspicion. That confirmed it,” Huang says.''....... Scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerald Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 Stick I know of your distaste (ok light word) for HF but their stuff may be knock off but not counterfeit. That is it is not represented as someone elses product not to ignore the faults in the ads. Amazon I have had problems getting answers on products and when the chinee said it would work with another product They sold me, but it did not . In negotiation want me to not give a bad rating so boss would not be mad at them and then only wanted to give 1/2 credit for something that did not fit had to put my foot down and got full credit. oh and kept the worthless item. steven newman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stick486 Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, Gerald said: for HF but their stuff may be knock off but not counterfeit. when did a knock off become not a counterfeit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fred W. Hargis Jr Posted January 5, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 There's a pretty substantial difference (IMHO) between counterfeit and a knock off. Counterfeit is an exact copy of something, including the brand labels and all...trying to profit from the original's market. Knock off is something that's made to a style or design by the original, but has enough difference you know it's not the real thing. Counterfeit is very common in the fashion /accessories industry, if you believe the news. Prada, Coach, and other high cost names constantly defend their products from counterfeit. I'm lees sure about the counterfeit things that aren't exact copies, like a Rolex with the name misspelled. Knock offs are generally legal unless they violate a patent....counterfeits are definitely not legal. Gerald, Nickp, p_toad and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gerald Posted January 5, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Fred W. Hargis Jr said: There's a pretty substantial difference (IMHO) between counterfeit and a knock off. Counterfeit is an exact copy of something, including the brand labels and all...trying to profit from the original's market. Knock off is something that's made to a style or design by the original, but has enough difference you know it's not the real thing. Counterfeit is very common in the fashion /accessories industry, if you believe the news. Prada, Coach, and other high cost names constantly defend their products from counterfeit. I'm lees sure about the counterfeit things that aren't exact copies, like a Rolex with the name misspelled. Knock offs are generally legal unless they violate a patent....counterfeits are definitely not legal. Well said Fred. As long as the product does not represent itself as the original by name (in my opinion mimicking the name should not be legal) and the design is not patented or copied exactly it is legal. All this with the old caveat "Buyer Beware". Nickp, HARO50, lew and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Grandpadave52 Posted January 5, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) Term 'knock-off" is a very loose, generic term...Not so different really than NAPA, AutoZone, Advance Auto, Rock Auto, etc. selling replacement parts often sourced from the same OEM vendors or from their own suppliers and stating "same quality as OEM...exact fit as OEM, etc. Likewise Fram or Purolator and their oil & air filters... Counterfeiting is a whole different issue...willfully & knowingly passing off an inferior/defective product branded as something it is not by stealing a brand or trademark...well off to the torture chamber... Knock-off making a product in appearance to be a name brand but misidentifying by a small brand spelling error or labeling...buyer beware....a $5000 Rolex for $500...yeah...too good to be true. H-F could/would not remain in business if they operated in either fashion. I assume they have similar licensing agreements for their name brand products as many of the big names...obvious in some cases they specify less quality in steel/cast, switches, batteries etc. hence the lower prices...common sense and buyer beware should dictate there is a trade-off somewhere for lower retail prices...although higher prices don't always equate to higher quality either. H-F comparisons to other Manufacturers is not a new market strategy...that's been going on since the wheel first rolled...FWIW my $0.02 which includes 3 cents tax. Edited January 5, 2018 by Grandpadave52 HARO50, Nickp, Cal and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Artie Posted January 21, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 I have been one of those nerds, going to the beach with a metal detector, since around 1989-90. In that hobby/trade, as in this one, cost is usually first, or top 3 consideration, in a purchase. There have been so.........many horror stories of the counterfeit units being sold, I tell everyone that asks me about where to buy a detector, buy ONLY from a direct distributor/licensed vendor. If you’re getting the unit at, or below 1/2 MSRP, it’s FAKE. It still surprises me how many will still take the cheap counterfeit, thinking it must be pretty good. There are many products I will not buy second hand due to this issue. Gene Howe, Grandpadave52, Nickp and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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