Ron Altier Posted December 28, 2016 Report Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) I have used some very hard exotic woods. Names that are hard to pronounce and foreign. So I was wondering what the hardest wood in North America is. I couldn't really think of a really hard wood. So I googled it. Without looking it up, do you have any guesses? Edited December 5, 2017 by Ron Dudelston tags added Quote
John Hechel Posted December 28, 2016 Report Posted December 28, 2016 The hardest wood that I know of is found in Arizona. Dadio and p_toad 2 Quote
Stick486 Posted December 28, 2016 Report Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) Types of Wood Hardwoods are deciduous trees that have broad leaves, produce a fruit or nut and generally go dormant in the winter. North America’s forests grow hundreds of varieties that thrive in temperate climates, including oak, ash, cherry, maple and poplar species. Each species can be crafted into durable, long-lasting furniture, cabinetry, flooring and millwork, and each offers unique markings with variation in grain pattern, texture and color. Softwoods or conifers, from the Latin word meaning “cone-bearing,” have needles rather than leaves. Widely available U.S. softwood trees include cedar, fir, hemlock, pine, redwood and spruce. In a home, softwoods primarily are used as structural lumber such as 2x4s and 2x6s, with limited decorative applications. Tropical Hardwoods, including mahogany, rosewood, teak and wenge - are not native to North America. They grow in the tropical forests of the world and must be imported for domestic use. While some tropical hardwoods can be used for interior applications, including flooring, the color, grain pattern, hardness and luster of many imported woods differ from those of American hardwoods. For more information on non-native species, refer to the “Don’t be fooled” article. Janka Rating System When in doubt about the type of wood to select for your cabinetry, flooring, furniture or millwork project, refer to the Janka Rating System, which measures the relative hardness of woods. The hardest commercially available hardwood is hickory, and it is five times harder than aspen, one of the “soft” hardwoods. And while this example lists just some of the most popular hardwood species, there are hundreds of varieties, representing the North American hardwood population. Because hardness is an important factor, and hardness varies for each species, the Janka Scale of Hardness is an excellent tool to help identify appropriate choices. Species Pressure To Mar (Kiln-dried) (in pounds) Hickory, Pecan 1,820 Hard Maple 1,450 White Oak 1,360 Beech 1,300 Red Oak 1,290 Yellow Birch 1,260 Green Ash 1,200 Black Walnut 1,010 Soft Maple 950 Cherry 950 Hackberry 880 Gum 850 Elm 830 Sycamore 770 Alder 590 Yellow Poplar 540 Cottonwood 430 Basswood 410 Aspen 350 Source: Wood Handbook: Wood as an Engineering Material, USDA, Washington, D.C. Species_Guide_Stength_Mech_Properties_Updated.pdf Edited December 28, 2016 by Stick486 Wirebender 1 Quote
Wirebender Posted December 28, 2016 Report Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) Ron - Without looking it up or checking other replies, I would say Osage Orange (also known in this area as Hedge). Old timers used to make bearing blocks for thrashing machines and tumbling rods of Osage Orange...it was hard and naturally oily. Dave. Edited December 28, 2016 by Wirebender Grandpadave52 1 Quote
Wirebender Posted December 28, 2016 Report Posted December 28, 2016 Ron - I looked it up...Janka rating of 2760! Dave. Grandpadave52 1 Quote
Dadio Posted December 28, 2016 Report Posted December 28, 2016 1 hour ago, John Hechel said: The hardest wood that I know of is found in Arizona. I agree with you it is Mesquite is like ironwood Quote
PeteM Posted December 28, 2016 Report Posted December 28, 2016 Arizona wood? I was thinking petrified forest. KevTN, Grandpadave52, p_toad and 1 other 4 Quote
Gene Howe Posted December 28, 2016 Report Posted December 28, 2016 The Janka rating of Mesquite is 2345 but, that's somewhat misleading as there are at least 40 species of Mesquite. Osage orange is a bit harder. There are several woods called "Iron wood" and it's difficult to determine (for me) which is which. I think all are harder than mesquite or osage orange. "Workability" is another thing altogether. Wirebender 1 Quote
Fred W. Hargis Jr Posted December 28, 2016 Report Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) My guess would have been persimmon, it was used (maybe still is) for golf club heads.....on the woods, of course! Edit: guessed wrong, looked up persimmon, it's a mere 2300 on the Janka. Edited December 28, 2016 by Fred W. Hargis, Jr KevTN 1 Quote
HARO50 Posted December 28, 2016 Report Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) Ipe, at 3680. John Sorry, you said North America! Ironwood (Ostrya virginiana) is the hardest, densest wood growing in Ontario. Edited December 28, 2016 by HARO50 Gene Howe 1 Quote
John Hechel Posted December 28, 2016 Report Posted December 28, 2016 10 hours ago, PeteM said: Arizona wood? I was thinking petrified forest. that's exactly what I meant Pete. PeteM and p_toad 2 Quote
Ron Altier Posted December 28, 2016 Author Report Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) As I said, without looking it up, this wasn't my guess either. Its not even on the list posted Black Locust http://www.smokymountainnews.com/news/item/9672-the-hardest-tree-in-north-america Edited December 28, 2016 by Ron Altier mistake Quote
John Hechel Posted December 28, 2016 Report Posted December 28, 2016 I still maintain that petrified wood is the hardest. Ron I challenge you to take a chainsaw to each and tell us which was easier to cut. p_toad, HARO50 and Grandpadave52 3 Quote
HARO50 Posted December 29, 2016 Report Posted December 29, 2016 1 hour ago, Ron Altier said: As I said, without looking it up, this wasn't my guess either. Its not even on the list posted Black Locust http://www.smokymountainnews.com/news/item/9672-the-hardest-tree-in-north-america It only rates 1700 on the Janka scale. John Quote
Gene Howe Posted December 29, 2016 Report Posted December 29, 2016 1 hour ago, John Hechel said: I still maintain that petrified wood is the hardest. Ron I challenge you to take a chainsaw to each and tell us which was easier to cut. Well actually, petrified wood ain't wood. Chips N Dust, John Hechel and Dadio 3 Quote
Grandpadave52 Posted December 29, 2016 Report Posted December 29, 2016 39 minutes ago, Gene Howe said: Well actually, petrified wood ain't wood. Petrified wood (from the Greek root petro meaning "rock" or "stone"; literally "wood turned into stone") is the name given to a special type of fossilized remains of terrestrial vegetation. It is the result of a tree or tree-like plants having completely transitioned to stone by the process of permineralization. From Wikipedia is seems it may be wood left by aliens...seems to be a logical explanation for wood we don't fully understand... HARO50 1 Quote
kmealy Posted December 29, 2016 Report Posted December 29, 2016 For those of you that have found a Janka table, where does hop hornbeam fall? I'd have to agree osage and mesquite are pretty dense. But remember, North America covers Mexico and countries to its south, too. (Oh, yeah, and Canada ;-) ) HARO50 1 Quote
Stick486 Posted December 29, 2016 Report Posted December 29, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janka_hardness_test p_toad and HARO50 2 Quote
Stick486 Posted December 29, 2016 Report Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) so lets throw tis into the mix... Top 10 HARDEST... http://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/top-ten-hardest-woods/ Top 10 HEAVIEST... http://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/top-ten-heaviest-woods/ Edited December 29, 2016 by Stick486 HARO50 1 Quote
Stick486 Posted December 29, 2016 Report Posted December 29, 2016 Common Name(s): Hophornbeam, American Ironwood Scientific Name: Ostrya virginiana Distribution: Eastern North America Tree Size: 40-60 ft (12-18 m) tall, 1-2 ft (.3-.6 m) trunk diameter Average Dried Weight: 49 lbs/ft3 (785 kg/m3) Specific Gravity (Basic, 12% MC): .63, .79 Janka Hardness: 1,860 lbf (8,270 N) Modulus of Rupture: 14,100 lbf/in2 (97.2 MPa) Elastic Modulus: 1,700,000 lbf/in2 (11.72 GPa) Crushing Strength: 7,760 lbf/in2 (53.5 MPa) Shrinkage: Radial: 8.2%, Tangential: 9.6%, Volumetric: 18.6%, T/R Ratio: 1.2 Common Name(s): American Hornbeam, Blue Beech Scientific Name: Carpinus caroliniana Distribution: Eastern North America Tree Size: 35-40 ft (10-12 m) tall, 1.5-2 ft (.5-.6 m) trunk diameter Average Dried Weight: 49 lbs/ft3 (785 kg/m3) Specific Gravity (Basic, 12% MC): .58, .79 Janka Hardness: 1,780 lbf (7,920 N) Modulus of Rupture: 16,300 lbf/in2 (112.4 MPa) Elastic Modulus: 1,693,000 lbf/in2 (11.68 GPa) Crushing Strength: 6,500 lbf/in2 (44.8 MPa) Shrinkage: Radial: 5.7%, Tangential: 11.4%, Volumetric: 19.1%, T/R Ratio: 2.0 Common Name(s): European Hornbeam, Common Hornbeam Scientific Name: Carpinus betulus Distribution: Europe and western Asia Tree Size: 50-65 ft (15-20 m) tall, 2-3 ft (.6-1 m) trunk diameter Average Dried Weight: 46 lbs/ft3 (735 kg/m3) Specific Gravity (Basic, 12% MC): .53, .74 Janka Hardness: 1,630 lbf (7,260 N) Modulus of Rupture: 16,010 lbf/in2 (110.4 MPa) Elastic Modulus: 1,755,000 lbf/in2 (12.10 GPa) Crushing Strength: 7,320 lbf/in2 (50.5 MPa) Shrinkage: Radial: 6.8%, Tangential: 11.5%, Volumetric: 18.4%, T/R Ratio: 1.7 kmealy and HARO50 2 Quote
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