Cal Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 I am getting close to wrapping up a couple nightstands. This set is made from SYP and varies in the amount of pitch content. I am looking to get a dark expresso color on them. What would be the best product/application technique to this? lew 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallpatch Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 Cal, the dark part of that pine, stain or dye will not penetrate. What ever you rub on will stay on the surface. You must like the looks of yp so why not leave it clear and just spray on a clear finish. I would not tell anyone to brush on a finish so I will leave it alone... If you do chose to spray clear lacquer after it dries use 0000 steel wool with a little Johnson's paste wax as a chaser to end up with a beautiful smooth finish... Cal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted February 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 Jess, I do think a heart pine floor looks great. These pieces however are to set beside a bed which has a dark expresso finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarletjim Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 Consider a gel stain. I've used GF Java gel stain on pine project with success to get the dark espresso look.. Use a clear coat of your choice afterwards. I've used GF High Performance water based on top of the Java gel stain. Cal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmealy Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 7 hours ago, Smallpatch said: Cal, the dark part of that pine, stain or dye will not penetrate. What ever you rub on will stay on the surface. This is called "grain reversal" -- the late wood (dark) parts of the grain will not accept much color and the early wood will. (photo from "The Finishing Store") One way to avoid this is to use a toner, a finish with color in it. It works best when sprayed on and can go opaque if you get it on even a bit too heavy. And if the finish gets a chip or edge wear in it, it can show a light spot. If the grain reversal does not bother you, I get an "espresso" finish (at least that's what I call it) by first applying a red dye, then use General Finishes Espresso wiping stain (water borne). I've heard good things about the Java (oil-based), too, but I'd consider it more toward the brown side than the black of Espresso. I guess it really depends upon your understanding of what color "espresso" is. Cal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted February 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Thanks for the replies. I had to go upstairs and take a look at the bed. It is from Ikea, which they list as "black-brown". It is very dark, but not black. It is a solid, or opaque color, with no wood grain showing through. Could this be a painted surface? http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S29007850/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmealy Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 I'd suggest following my rule of testing out on scrap. Cal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p_toad Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Cal said: Could this be a painted surface? Possible, but i did something similar years ago by draining off the clear from a stain and using mostly the solids to "paint" on a finish that looked to be near black and held up very well outdoors over the years. Cal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallpatch Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Most of the stuff I've seen from Ikea is a form of glued up saw dust so I would think there is no reason to stain when paint would be faster as a cover up. I my thinking Cal just a clear finish on your night stands would be a good contrast and like you said yellow pine has the best looking grain of all the pines... Dadio and Cal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmealy Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 It is quite likely it is a "toner." That is a finish that has some added dye or pigment. Spray on one coat, wait 20 minute, possibly spray on second coat, wait 20 minutes, package it up. It is somewhere between paint and clear finish depending on how heavy they go on the colorant. It's used on lot of commercial furniture, often on the cheap stuff sometimes the high end stuff. Cal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted February 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 I have spent a good bit of time on line tonight. The majority of the information I reviewed agreed with @scarletjim on the use of GF Gel Stain in Java. I also read one posting (with pics) where the furniture was painted white for a nice contrast, and they did look good. And, there is merit to Jess' post to clear them. This decision needs to be made by SWMBO. She will be home this weekend, and hopefully by then I will actually have them done so they can be set in place for easier visualizing how they might look. Thanks y'all for your posts and ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadio Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 There is a poem "My Heart Deeply Pines For You." is that the same as SYP? Herb Cal and p_toad 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cal Posted February 24, 2018 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 Well, wifey made it home tonight and looked at the project. Then she looked at a few pics I saved from Pinterest, stained pieces, painted pieces, combos and everything in between. At this point, the lower part will be painted white. By next weekend we will decide what to do with the tops. At least I can motor forward now with this set. Thanks again for all the tips and suggestions. p_toad, Gerald, Grandpadave52 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadio Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 Those look really nice Cal, there is a lot of work in those. Good job.Never find anything that good at Ikea. Herb Cal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpadave52 Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 Very nice Cal. I really like the design/look of these. Some really nice looking SYP too...just don't seem to see that quality of it up here anymore. Boy, I can smell the dust...SYP has such a pleasing aroma. Cal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandyDan Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 Nice work Cal. Those look great. Cal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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