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The video quality is not the best but, the concept presented sure is. 

 

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sadly, if you can't push a button and make something happen, people are not interested.

 

make something, with my hands?  in a messy shop?

 

make dinner, from scratch, out of a cookbook?

 

gaahhh....

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ok kids, were going to make this:

 

it may take more than one day....

 

you'll have to think, do math, plan ahead...you'll love it!

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1 hour ago, DAB said:

sadly, if you can't push a button and make something happen, people are not interested.

 

make something, with my hands?  in a messy shop?

 

make dinner, from scratch, out of a cookbook?

 

gaahhh....

You can bash the general public all  you want about their interest in woodworking, but if the compensation is very little to nothing people are not going to be interested, plain and simple. Do I need to remind you of a post that you started not all too long ago ? http://thepatriotwoodworker.com/topic/20041-no-profit-margin/  I've been at it for about 30 years, and much like a lot of other folks, I've become very disappointed with everything that involves woodworking so much that I've lost a lot of interest in it in the last couple of years. I'm sick and tired of being takin advantage of. Until things change, the industry will continue to decline.

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bash?

 

people and society change with time, not always for the best.

 

those with no money have very little influence in the market.  but those with money can support whatever tickles their fancy.  Maloof had enough rich clients to make a go of things.  but he is one of a very few to do that.

 

imagine if all those who gave money to support some political candidate instead took 1/2 that money and employed a craftsman?  how many could you support for the $100,000,000 that was spent on Jeb Bush's failed campaign?

 

creative craftsmen, such as woodworkers, take time to dream up new ideas and to create them.  more than once i've been asked "how long did that take?"  "i don't know, i don't have a time clock in my shop, but if you'd like one like it, i'll make you one.  it'll cost you $xxxx."  "oh, well, nice to meet you".

 

one day, there will be no more woodworkers creating things, and that will be a loss to society, but i'll be dead by then.

 

i don't know anyone who is rich enough to sponsor me or anyone else.  maybe one will read this?

 

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who is taking advantage of you?  people who don't want to pay what you want?  tell them bye, bye.  if you accede to their low ball offer, you had a part in that transaction.  you valued your work at what they offered.  no one made you do that.

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1 hour ago, DAB said:

 Creative craftsmen, such as woodworkers, take time to dream up new ideas and to create them.  more than once i've been asked "how long did that take?"  "i don't know, i don't have a time clock in my shop, but if you'd like one like it, i'll make you one.  it'll cost you $xxxx."  "oh, well, nice to meet you".

 

one day, there will be no more woodworkers creating things, and that will be a loss to society, but i'll be dead by then.

 

i don't know anyone who is rich enough to sponsor me or anyone else.  maybe one will read this?

 

Ok, I'll throw this example at you. In this post http://thepatriotwoodworker.com/topic/21528-i-want-to-build-a-thien-baffle-but/  it seems as though the American craftsmen here would rather take a chance on a cheep imported knockoff, rather then support a American worker. I feel no different, I support this woodworking hype site by contributing some of my time in sharing my 30 years of experience as mostly a hobbyist woodworker. Yet most here would never support me, they would rather, or in some cases insist that I show everybody dimensions of one of my products and how to make one. Thanks, I'm motivated now ! Not ! And ya, I did it to myself apparently by expecting better from people in todays society, I'm a fool. 

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48 minutes ago, DAB said:

 how many could you support for the $100,000,000 that was spent on Jeb Bush's

It would be tough and if I scrimp a bit, I could try to get by for a while.:rolleyes:

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3 hours ago, Gene Howe said:

The video quality is not the best but, the concept presented sure is.

Thanks Gene for the reminder we have "skin in this game" also to share our knowledge and passion to current generations. If we don't who will, right?

 

Unfortunately Lowe's ended their free Build & Grow program they had for kids. Too bad; it was a great program and something our grand-daughter's got to experience several times. It made the very proud to come home with things they had made themselves.

 

Home Depot still sponsors a similar program the first Saturday of the month. It's free also; all you need to do is register and that can be done on-line. We've taken our oldest grandson a few times. He loves it and is so proud of what he's made.

 

Challenge for us all: take your kid or grandkid or someone else's kid (probably should ask first unless you want your picture on an Amber Alert:rolleyes:; shoot even take their parent--again seek permission otherwise it's kidnapping;)). Check with your local Youth Service Bureau...dozens of kids looking for positive role model mentors and someone to just show they care.

 

Who knows the impact you may have made down the road...Current episodes of "This Old House" include their trades apprentices. I think that is awesome.

 

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i've shown plenty of my work here and elsewhere, with general dimensions and descriptions.  a few times i've been asked if i have "plans" for what i built. yes, some scribbles on my legal pad i keep in my shop.  but nothing that anyone else could use to make it.  you have to know something about dimensioning, joinery to make anything.  when i took shop class, i'd look thru the old Sears catalog for ideas of things to make.  get an idea on projects and proportions, but then i'd have to work out all the details.  same still applies.  i made an 8 foot sideboard.  but you could also make a 5 foot sideboard, you'd just need to adjust dimensions to make it look right.

 

plans?  here's a pic.  figure it out, that's half the fun.

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Most all my projects for the last few years have been from pictures I get off the internet. I enlarge them on my printer, glue them on to some wood and I'm ready. I usually have to add or delete things to suit and I never go by someones else's sizes. Its just not a lot of fun to make things exactly like someone else has already made and screwed up. 

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6 hours ago, DAB said:

we just met our new neighbors, they have 2 daughters, 8 and 11 i think.  perfect age to learn this stuff.

I had all my girls in the shop with me building stuff when they were 8 to teenage.

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Both of my kids showed an interest when they were younger, but life tends to get in the way. :( Son is now building his own (log) home, but tended more toward metal working. The two older grandkids tried the lathe, scrollsaw, and woodburning, and a number of their friends (and our neighbours' kids) have been in the shop making gifts for their parents. Hopefully some of them will continue with woodworking.

John

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A couple of mine showed interest in various aspects of woodworking, but i didn't really want them in the shop when i was using the table saw; i guess i was afraid i would end up like the guy in A Bucket of Blood (1959).   Perhaps not suitable for children.

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Table saw and RAS were locked out whenever the kids were in the shop! ALWAYS!!!

John

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Woodworking to me is an enjoyable hobby. I can go to the shop at my leisure and make whatever I wish, within my limited skills.From building my shop and utility buildings, to building cabinets or pieces of furniture, and now mostly bandsaw boxes . It's totally relaxing for me, with absolutely no schedules to meet. 

In todays' world, working with your hands has become less inspiring. People would rather sit behind a desk, or go out in the field with a clip board, where salaries are higher. It is harder to make a living as a craftsman, and the number of skilled craftsmen in this country within all of the trades is in serious decline. I believe we are just beginning to experience the results. Unfortunately with woodworking, cheap imports that can "serve the purpose" are putting our craftsmen out of business. Those who can afford true craftsmanship will continue to pay the price for quality, but most people are looking for the lowest cost.

I seldom use designers drawings for what I'm building, and if I do, I usually make my own changes.

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2 hours ago, John Moody said:

Well I enjoy my shop and I make what I want to make. I work in it more sometimes that I planned but, hey I'm retired and can do what I want to. If you don't want to share its your business and if you don't want to build something for someone then don't, but don't whine about it.

 

 

I'm guessing that the above statement from Mr Moody was directed towards me. First of all don't assume that everyone here is retired. It's not whining, it's the facts weather you like it or not, and choose to ignore them.

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