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We use the Dynabrade pneumatic sanders, 5" mostly peel & stick. Advantages: they are faster sanding than electric, they last a long time, pads are available for H&L or PSA, they fit hands better... Disadvantage, they suck a lot of air and need clean, dry air so they are more expensive in terms of energy use & purchase price. 

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Well I picked up the new, never used, still in the box, DeWalt D26451K ( K is kit that includes a bag ) today for $45, about half of what they sell in the stores for. The manual tells me that the D26450 sander is the PSA model. The part no. is 151281-09 for the PSA 8 hole pad. 

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3 minutes ago, CharlieL said:

Well I picked up the new, never used, still in the box, DeWalt D26451K ( K is kit that includes a bag ) today for $45, about half of what they sell in the stores for. The manual tells me that the D26450 sander is the PSA model. The part no. is 151281-09 for the PSA 8 hole pad. 

Good deal! These are usually $60-$65 plus tax (if applicable). Beats buying a H/L and then paying another $20 + shipping and/or tax to change it to a PSA.

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8 hours ago, schnewj said:

 

 

Why would you cut your own discs out of sticky backed sandpaper? Cost wise you can find quality discs all over the place and there is no wasted material from cutting them yourself. In the long run it is just not cost effective to make your own.

 

 

Back when I started cutting my own sticky back discs it was probably cheaper for me to do that then to buy precut. Since then the prices have probably come down on precut, and your right, it would not be cost or time effective to make my own. Especially the ones with the vac holes, I wouldn't even bother trying to cut those. My older sanders do not have a vac capability.

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1 minute ago, CharlieL said:

Back when I started cutting my own sticky back discs it was probably cheaper for me to do that then to buy precut. Since then the prices have probably come down on precut, and your right, it would be cost or time effective to make my own. Especially the ones with the vac holes, I wouldn't even bother trying to cut those. My older sanders do not have a vac capability.

My Bosch is a joy to use with the built in DC (8 hole paper). Take the container on the back off, and attach a DC small tool hose and it it darn near dustless. Look to Klingspor and Peachtree for deals on quality discs. You'll find it isn't worth your time to make them. If you want coarser grits don't discount the auto body supply stores. You can get a large roll of 80-180 grit AO for a reasonable price.

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36 minutes ago, schnewj said:

My Bosch is a joy to use with the built in DC (8 hole paper). Take the container on the back off, and attach a DC small tool hose and it it darn near dustless. 

This sander the dust collection works similarly. Remove the container / bag and there are a couple different size vac hose connections to hook it up too. The D26453 sander is variable speed. In a nut shell there are 3 models of this sander. PSA, H&L, and variable speed with H&L.

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Before you order the PSA pad you might check ebay for aftermarket. I got a H/L for my PC last year for 10 less on ebay made by someone than PC

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1 hour ago, CharlieL said:

Well I picked up the new, never used, still in the box, DeWalt D26451K ( K is kit that includes a bag )

 

This ad says the 26451K is the hook and loop model

 

http://www.sears.com/dewalt-5-in-random-orbit-sander-kit-with/p-00926349000P?sid=isx20140327xdsa&psid=601x45634&knshCrid=239739970948&k_clickID=1bfa6785-cae6-4e02-a21b-07232c83886d&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzo6elcK12AIV2o-zCh0-bQm4EAAYAiAAEgIBpvD_BwE

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15 hours ago, Gerald said:

Before you order the PSA pad you might check ebay for aftermarket. I got a H/L for my PC last year for 10 less on ebay made by someone than PC

I agree. A DeWalt PSA pad is nearly $20. Seems a bit high to me for what it is.

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15 hours ago, HandyDan said:

This ad says the 26451K is the hook and loop model

 

 

Correct, the 26451is the H&L model, the 26450 is the PSA model, and the 26453 is the variable speed model with H&L pad. I just noticed this morning that DeWalt shows that these sanders are discontinued. I should be good for awhile. I look for information on  tools before I buy them, I'm disappointed that I didn't know that, and the going price. Oh well, I think that I got a fair deal, just not as good as I thought. Yesterday I also noticed that I already have 3 orbital sanders, a Dewalt 420 and a 421, plus the Porter-Cable 330, this now makes 4. I should be good on sanders for awhile. Hi, my name is Charlie, and I'm a toolaholic.

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31 minutes ago, CharlieL said:

Correct, the 26451is the H&L model, the 26450 is the PSA model, and the 26453 is the variable speed model with H&L pad. I just noticed this morning that DeWalt shows that these sanders are discontinued. 

Usually not a problem with the DeWalts. Most of them share common parts. Where you tun into problem with the discontinued models is with the part that are unique to that model. Just about the time, when you need that new switch or  bearing it will be NLA (No Longer Available).

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12 minutes ago, schnewj said:

Usually not a problem with the DeWalts. Most of them share common parts. Where you tun into problem with the discontinued models is with the part that are unique to that model. Just about the time, when you need that new switch or  bearing it will be NLA (No Longer Available).

I'm concerned about that also, and probably need to do some pad, and as Stick recommended brake shopping before I can't find any.

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1 minute ago, CharlieL said:

I'm concerned about that also, and probably need to do some pad shopping before I can't find any.

Pads probably won't be a problem. There are plenty of 3rd party aftermarket pads that will probably fit. Besides, that is one of the common parts between the different models...a 5" pad is the same on ALL of the models.

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4 minutes ago, schnewj said:

Pads probably won't be a problem. There are plenty of 3rd party aftermarket pads that will probably fit. Besides, that is one of the common parts between the different models...a 5" pad is the same on ALL of the models.

 I hope your right. I just noticed that DeWalt still offers a non hole PSA pad that fits the 420 series sanders that I have, which is a good sign, I've had those sanders for quite a few years.

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1 minute ago, CharlieL said:

 I hope your right. I just noticed that DeWalt still offers a non hole PSA pad that fits the 420 series sanders that I have, which is a good sign, I've had those sanders for quite a few years.

I have a 1/4 sheet Makita that I have had for 30 years. I has seen more use then I care to admit. I just replace the entire pad assembly last year. They were not only available, but came with the plate/pad attached, replaceable stick on pads only, or a H/L pad. Now, that is product support.

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The advantage with H&L, IMO, is that you can change disks through the grits easier.   If you are doing large jobs with only one grit or have multiple sanders, one per grit, then maybe that advantage is not so important.  I haven't checked because my sanders are all H&L and older, but it was my impression the PSA disks were a bit cheaper.  I also always connect up the shop-vac to the sander to keep the dust down, so I want the holes.

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3 hours ago, schnewj said:

I have a 1/4 sheet Makita that I have had for 30 years. I has seen more use then I care to admit. I just replace the entire pad assembly last year. They were not only available, but came with the plate/pad attached, replaceable stick on pads only, or a H/L pad. Now, that is product support.

I have that same sander and did the same, the whole bottom fell out while sanding. Worked like new when replaced.

 

I agree with Keith in changing grits, when I am sanding I usually go through 6 grits one after another. I have actually wore out the backs of the Yellow cloth backed H&L  sterate discs from Klingspor changing them. That is why I run at least 4 different sanders most of the time.

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Yes, I have a Bosch ROS that I got as soon as it came out.  Maybe 25 years ago.   I walk into the repair shop and ask for a new pad and they only ask, "Hard or soft pad?"  Then then go to the back and get me one.

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8 minutes ago, kmealy said:

Yes, I have a Bosch ROS that I got as soon as it came out.  Maybe 25 years ago.   I walk into the repair shop and ask for a new pad and they only ask, "Hard or soft pad?"  Then then go to the back and get me one.

Try doing that with a PC, DeWalt, Hitachi, whatever! What you'll hear is "we'll have to order that for you".

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