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MWTCA December 2017 "What's It" Project

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Whoops, my bad, so are you all calling this a riveting hammer or a blacksmith tool?

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4 minutes ago, steven newman said:

Rivet head forming tool.....Forms the heads on rivets. 

Got it. Research research! I see a Woodriver hand plane in the future here for someone! Research! May be worth even emailing a blacksmith or two for confirmation. We want to give away a Hand Plane!

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I have to go with Dan's comment...it does look like a hammer (with the rubber thingy) that my dad had at his truck stop when i was a whippersnapper.

Edited by Fred W. Hargis Jr

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Most rivet head forming chisels I  found today were 1)  a LOT smaller, 2)  are now made for a pneumatic type of hammer, 3) and are newer versions.  

 

One person held both the blank ( tongs)  and this "top swage"  while another hammered the swage down to form the head of the rivet.....Might be from a Shipyard's tool kit,   for making new rivets.   It could also have been used to make iron balls,  using a bottom swage to form the other half....take a large, red-hot square of steel/iron, place it into the bottom swage, hold the top swage on the square, while another hammered the two swages together....

 

May need an OLD catalog to find  it.    new ones aren't quite as fancy....

 

Williamsburg Blacksmiths might know a little more about these....

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1 hour ago, John Morris said:

I would recommend going through the posts to this topic, and note the member who actually called it a rivet placer first. Then work from there.

Guess that would be Stick !  Steve's answer was probably a bit more descriptive, but, Stick did say it first.

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imagine a stud - heated hot...

now a iron/steel semi-sphere w/ a hole through the center axis...

heat that glowing hot...

set it on the stud...

cap the semi-sphere w/ the tool...

pound on the tool w/ a lead hammer to seat the semi-sphere...

peen or cut off the protruding stud to complete...

you now have a round headed rivet holding your ornate hardware in place...

 

Edited by Stick486

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I finally remembered WHERE that old Bostwick Braun Catalog #43 was stashed......when I can dig  it out of the closet, there was three full pages of Blacksmithing tools....Might just find that  Ball Swage in there?

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I agree that is does look like a tire hammer, except the concave surface looks very dinged up. Like it was hit against metal many times. Just like it should look if it was used to make rivets or domed heads. If it was a tire hammer with rubber in the concave part, it should be smooth. So, my vote goes for metal working tool.

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I have to agree that it is a swage of some sort. However, I don't agree that it is for rivets. If it was for rivets, based on the size of the bell the hammer would be much more robust.

 

Looking at the shape of the swage itself, it has an indent in the middle. This is not something you would see on a rivet head. I suspect that this is only half of the tool. I think there may have been an anvil that goes with the tool. Possible to form something out of light sheet metal.

 

I have look and looked but I can find nothing that resembles, or comes close to it. Still looking though.

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My first impression was a tool for soft metal for making sleigh bells and such...maybe because it's Christmas time... 

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Found another picture of a similar rubber mallet at a flooring site.  Fourth from the left.

 

https://www.woodfloorbusiness.com/installation/are-mallets-ok-for-engineered-wood-flooring.html

 

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Here's a similar scenario for mounting a soft face in a hammer.

 

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Edited by HandyDan

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I think Dan has put his finger on it! The hole in the OP tool doesn't seem to have a thread, but maybe the rubber insert was a friction fit.

John

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3 hours ago, HandyDan said:

Found another picture of a similar rubber mallet at a flooring site.  Fourth from the left.

 

https://www.woodfloorbusiness.com/installation/are-mallets-ok-for-engineered-wood-flooring.html

 

OOV-1216-HF_DJ17-QA-Mallets-FullSizeRender_sm.jpg.b7aff8dbf328edc3128e95967979c5f1.jpg

 

Here's a similar scenario for mounting a soft face in a hammer.

 

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"Heavens to Mergatroid", you just may have it! Good job, Dan.

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I would lean more to the flooring mallet rather than the tire changing mallet. I had a tire hammer like Dan showed and it had the rubber end mounted on a steel stud like shown below. The Flooring mallets seem to have the rubber end mounted in a cone, with probably a rubber stud as part of the mallet head. I go with @HandyDan  with this one.

Herb

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/T35-Heavy-Duty-Tire-Hammer-KEN35323-Brand-New-/400916797254

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-HAMMER-KEN-TOOL-T-11-R-TIRE-BEAD-BREAKER-HAMMER-HEAD-ONLY-/132430107132

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ken-Tool-Unusual-Tire-Hammer-T33-R-/232597379781

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Been trying to find that Bostwick Braun catalog from the 1940s....Catalog No.43.....that had a BUNCH of pages of Blacksmith's tools.....as I remember seeing something like that top swage.     BIG catalog, about 1600 pages, was used by hardware stores to order anything  from "A'' ( axes) to "Z", Based up in Toledo, OH...they were a wholesale company.   They even sold a sparkplug for a clothes dryer.....

 

I am hoping that it was IN the fire  a while back, and got tossed out.....

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Do we have a clear final answer for this subject, with references of some sort that we can turn into MWTCA? :)

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