HARO50 Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 41 minutes ago, Dadio said: With the new improved glues, I have just held two pieces of wood tight for a couple of minutes and let set for an hour and when I broke them apart the wood gave loose and the glue held tight. Herb Good to know, Herb. Rubber bands are cheaper than clamps! John DerBengel and Dadio 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Howe Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 3 hours ago, HARO50 said: Spread the glue to 3 molecules, then go over it with the shopvac. It will take off the top 2 molecules, leaving the exact amount needed! John I just KNOW someone is going to try this! It'd be easier to send the spreader back for re calibration. Dadio, Cal, HARO50 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadio Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 39 minutes ago, HARO50 said: Good to know, Herb. Rubber bands are cheaper than clamps! John This pertains to small irregular shaped parts that are hard to clamp. Rubber bands work fine on small boxes with mitered corners. By using blue tape to align the miters, just fold together in a square or other closed polygon and tape the corners ,then put the rubber bands on to apply a little pressure. When I install small wooden handles on jewelry boxes, I find the center of the box ends and drill a small hole ,not all the way thru, Insert a round toothpick cut to length. drill a hole the same in the handle , put some glue on and insert the handle onto the toothpick and hold for a couple of minutes then let set for an hour. the toothpick aligns the handle and keeps it from slipping when pressed into place. Herb HARO50, Gene Howe, John Morris and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv Rall Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 After many years of woodshop experience I have come to be an avid champion of Bessy style clamps------yes very expensive but if interested in easy and satisfying clamping experience, these clamps are it. It all depends on what is important to one---I found that holding back on some recreational experiences quickly frees up the extra cash required.----- also after many glueup problems that most applications require only modest pressure DerBengel, Dadio and HARO50 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerBengel Posted September 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 On 9/15/2017 at 11:32 AM, Marv Rall said: After many years of woodshop experience I have come to be an avid champion of Bessy style clamps------yes very expensive but if interested in easy and satisfying clamping experience, these clamps are it. It all depends on what is important to one---I found that holding back on some recreational experiences quickly frees up the extra cash required.----- also after many glueup problems that most applications require only modest pressure Recreational experiences?! For me, that would mean no internet or Xbox 360! I wouldn't be able to talk to you guys or save the world when you guys are safely sleeping!!! HARO50 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stick486 Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 hour ago, DerBengel said: I wouldn't be able to talk to you guys or save the world when you guys are safely sleeping!!! ah-ha!!! you talk to us in our sleep... that explains a lot... can't wait till my psycho babble expert hears that I really am hearing voices... DerBengel and HARO50 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerBengel Posted September 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 That was supposed to be 2 different thoughts but that reply sure cracked me up!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Thuman Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Don't know if anyone mentioned this but M & T are long grain to long grain joints that are structurally sound when glued together. If you force fit the tenon into the mortise you force most of the glue out and create a very weak M & T joint. As others said a light mallet tap should get them to slide apart with that in mind the glue will not be forced out but will properly set up on both surfaces and make the strongest joint (with some argument) that is known to man. DerBengel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerald Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 A little saying I read by I do not remember who " fit so that your hat will force it together" , that is a tap from your hat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerBengel Posted September 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 Your hat? That is a very light tap...can't think of much of anything that would go together with such a light tap. WOW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerald Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 The idea of the Mortise and Tenon joint has been used for thousands of years by woodworkers around the world to join pieces of wood, mainly when the adjoining pieces connect at an angle of 90°. In its basic form it is both simple and strong. Although there are many joint variations, the basic mortise and tenon comprises two components: the mortise hole and the tenon tongue. The tenon, formed on the end of a member generally referred to as a rail, is inserted into a square or rectangular hole cut into the corresponding member. The tenon is cut to fit the mortise hole exactly and usually has shoulders that seat when the joint fully enters the mortise hole. The joint may be glued, pinned, or wedged to lock it in place">M&T joint is that it is rigid and the glue then holds it in place . Driving it together could well lead t early failure by crushing the wood or splitting the mortise. DerBengel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARO50 Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 18 hours ago, DerBengel said: Your hat? That is a very light tap...can't think of much of anything that would go together with such a light tap. WOW. If you wear a hard hat in the shop, you can give it quite a substantial whack! John DerBengel, Cal and Gerald 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerBengel Posted September 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 Thanks Gerald, now I understand! LOL John!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyJack Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Beam clamps work when pipe clamps just aren't enough... In this case pipes were used and most destroyed because the threads aren't strong enough... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyJack Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 We ordered 12 -36" and 12 -48" just for parallam tops. Because Jorgensen beams are no longer anyone compared to Bessey I-beam clamps to Jorgensen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Howe Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Wow, Billy. That's a thick slab. Are those 1/2" pipes? Out of curiosity, what's the application for that glued up glue lam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schnewj Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 That's a chunk of money lying there! I'm curious, too! What is the final application? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyJack Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 BurgerFi restaurant... Cal and DerBengel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyJack Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Nobody ever compared the I-beam clamps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerBengel Posted November 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Wish I could! lol Go for it and report back, with donuts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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