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One Christmas I made a bunch of Walnut veneer scrapbooks.

What's happening It's starting to feel like our life is settling down to a dull roar, and the suggestions and projects our members here have suggested are starting to come back to the top of our priority list, we need to move forward on these suggestions and seriously consider them as add-ons into our community. Below please see a list of pending projects as submitted by you for our consideration. Projects Clubs, (separate departments for woodworking clubs) (On Hold) Forms, (create forms accessible by you, in order to create tools, supplies, and machinery reviews) (On Hold) Add images of "What's It" to the main winners board, so they can be easily searchable for future detectives. (Complete) Main landing page for The Patriot Woodworker (Complete) Wiki website for The Patriot Woodworker (Complete) Polls (Done and thank you @Fred W. Hargis Jr !) Added by your feedback below How to Articles Department (Looking for volunteers) Wood Swap Department (@Gene Howe are you still interested in this?) Your feedback Your feedback on any of the items above are greatly appreciated, and if you want to add anything to our wish list of additional departments, features, or anything you like from another forum, that you don't see here, please list them in your post to this topic, and I'll add them to our dream list under "Projects" above. Thanks folks, and I look forward to seeing what you all come up with.

Trying to get this project done BEFORE they decide what they are going to do.... Yesterday..Phone Tag all morning.....Boss wanted to go shopping all afternoon...( hour long nap in the van) Then finally a bit of shop time, after supper.. THE last can of Golden Oak in Wall E World....I found a use for those shelf blanks while they were clamped up.. Old work belt I use to strop sharpened edges. Green stick to "charge" the surface. Ok..put all of this out of the way. Mark the two side blanks as to inside, top, bottom and back..clamp one to the side of the bench.. And made sure the Wards 78 was set up just right ( was set a tad too deep.) If you don't have a sore left thumb, you ain't holding it right....That shaving is 3' long, made a mess on the floor.. This was after one board..but.. Needed this done to both of the side blanks first. Needed to figure the width of the shelves. and this rebate is hard to do when the case is assembled. Got both rebates done. Set one aside ( over on the Boss's washer..ooops) and lay out the shelf spacing. Used a piece of scrap to mark how thick the shelves were, and then a center point.. Just for "scale"...these boards are 1 x10s.. Got out the router bit, and a router guide jig.. But I needed a line to set the guide to. Measured from the center of the router's collet, out to the edge of the base...a hair under 3" Marked a line to set the fence to.. Clamp the board to the bench, clamp the fence to the line.. Double check for square, hammer to adjust, if need be. Run the router.. Repeat for the other two slots....use this completed side to layout the other side's slots.. All I needed was the line for the fence. The larger square helped with that ( Stanley No. 20, 12" square) Then cut the other three slots. Hopefully, they line up So, I had these done, needed to cut matching "pins" to fit into these.. I put away the sides, and the fence. Got out the edge guide the router came with. Set it to just short of the center of the dovetail bit. Brought that clamped up stack of shelves to the side of the bench, and moved the clamps a bit. One to clamp the stack TO the bench, bottom of the stack sits on the lower shelf of the bench. Ran the router along the outside edges of the stack...reset the guide to cut between two boards and made two more cuts...even though the router kept trying to snag it's own cord...three pins got done.. Turn this thing over, and repeat. I left the guide alone for the first two passes, then reset back to do the outside passes.. Then came the "FUN" of banging these into place in the sides....Big hammer & Block of Maple trick. Did not add any glue. I figure the plywood back and the face frame should hold the shelves in place. I checked the last 1 x 10 I have ....LARGE knot in the center of the 6' long plank has caused a problem.. Not a biggie, looks like face frame parts, to me..will cut the knot causing this split out. The part that isn't split further down will get trimmed for the top of the case. May add a strip to the back edge to get the 5/8" overhang I want....that is..5/8" over hang with the 3/4" thick face frame added....Maybe a 2" wide piece...hmmmmm. Need to figure out the blank for the raised panel in the door, again...depends on the width of the face frame, plus the width of the frame for the door. Have two of those "freckled" boards left, will add some plain trim to accent the fancy stuff... Stay tuned

This is the second cryptex I've finished. I re wrote the border file and I like this look much better. This one is a five ring code as I'm going to use it for the demo at our next meeting of the NorthEast Indiana Turners and Chiselers(NEITC). Anyone care to guess what is the code?? The first one actually works smoother, I didn't dry fit the rings before gluing it up and I should have. Oh well, someone said in another thread, it's how we grow. Steve

A guy I didn't even know called me and said he was cleaning out a widows garage and had all this veneer that was stored in the attic her husband left behind. He didn't want to burn it so asked If I wanted it. When he showed upwith a small PU loaded with it. Some was trash but a lot was good but short lengths. I sorted it out and offered it to the WW club members ,had a few takers ,but had a lot left over. So I laid up several panels on birch plywood for my own use and still had a bunch left, so was looking for ways to use it and came up with this idea. I had my sisters name written hers, came out nice. It worked out good , everyone was happy with their little scrap book. Also made some veneer gift tags out of the scraps. Herb @Gerald I had the punch and binders .

Not feeling up to much writing...so maybe a teaser? Shelves are in sliding dovetail joints...

Spent the day riding herd on a bunch of electronics technology students. Our company left early so I have a chance to post this weeks entry. @Steve Krumanaker posted another installment of his laser project. His "Cryptex" is so cool! Check out the complete post and the comments from our Patriot family- @Gerald showed us his hollow vessel turned from spalted magnolia and it is a beauty- Gerald tells us a little more in his post- @PostalTom turned a sweet little bowl made from walnut and poplar. I really like his choice of woods and the small lip at the top. Read what our turners had to say- There is a lady turner, Holly Denney, who I have seen on Facebook. She makes turned snowmen/snowladies. Another turner, who also makes snow people is Mr. David Reed Smith. He recently put up his article on how he does his turnings. The main article is located at- http://davidreedsmith.com/Articles/SnowPeople/SnowPeople.html Within his article is a link to a full PDF tutorial- http://davidreedsmith.com/Articles/SnowPeople/SnowPeople.pdf And a link to his gallery of his work- http://davidreedsmith.com/Gallery/SnowPeople/SnowPeople.html If you have ever turned a bottle stopper, you probably know of Ruth Niles and her stainless steel stoppers. In my opinion you cannot find a better stopper (or a nicer person). Ruth has a really nice combo starter kit on her website. Check it out- https://nilesbottlestoppers.com/woodturning/product/6322-five-star-kit Mike Peace recently added a nice little video on scrapers. Specifically he shows us how to make a burnishing tool to add a burr to a scraper. If you live in or around the Portland Oregon area, the American Association of Woodturners is having a symposium June 14-16. Check out their site for more information-http://www.woodturner.org/default.asp?page=2018Portland I've had 3 pieces of Manzanita laying on the lathe for about a month- trying to see what I can create. I finally decided on a piece to start with but the area to be turned was off center on the piece. Because it would be off balanced, I need to figure a way to mount it. As luck would have it, a turner I follow- Jim Jakosh, posted a similar off balance project and his solution- a counterbalance. I had a shop made hold down for finishing off bowl bottoms. I glued the piece- paper joint- to the wheel. Then added some bolts to the outer rim to create a balanced spin. Spun without vibration and so far the paper joint is holding. I'll just have to see what materializes from within the root. Safe turning

Sounds like a good guess to me.

Beautiful Steve. If I were going to demo it and didn't want to forget the code, it would probably be S-T-E-V-E

Today's follies......Plank was hauled to the shop....found a clear stretch that was long enough to make the top of the bookcase with....thought I'd try a different handsaw.. About an inch into the cross cut..it was clear Mr. Richardson needed it's teeth sharpened up.....eh, not today, ok? Went back to the Disston Operator still needs a bit of practice....needed a 1 x 4 cut the same length. need the extra width for the top's overhang..Once that was cut, time to joint a few edges... Clamp the two together, where the matching edges will be. Once done, I can swing "shorty" around and onto the bigger one, like a book.. Bead of glue, moosh the narrpw board around a bit, until I feel it "stick", then a few clamps and a caul.. Then set this mess aside. Needed to set up the bandsaw, needed a few 1 x 2 pieces cut, from the remains of that knotty board... Needed to reset the rip guide, and move a few things out of the line of traffic,,,,first rip cut, set to 1-5/8" width, was too bad....marked the second cut.. Was having issues with following the cut line..finally the blade hopped off the wheels. I seemed to think I had broken the 1/4" blade...so I went old school I have three such saws, this one seemed to do the best following the lines. Disston made for Sears, Craftsman Special Edition saw... Well, that was almost all the Cardio for today...clamped the two stiles together, after cutting them to final length...and jointed their edges.. Knot hole will be to the inside of the case. Edges were square, sawn ends square...Getting tuckered out. call it a day. Maybe tomorrow, I can get the rails made for the face frame, and clean up the top's panel. Stay tuned..

I think they called that plastic, Bakelite. We didn't get a TV til around 1955, My mother told my Dad he couldn't get one til he put a crapper in the house. Herb

Ooops, make that #27...somehow I forgot the most recent acquisition I described in the premier edition of Drill-it-Down...yep I definitely have a problem, with no cure in sight. Anyways, the newest member (to date) of the stable is a 7110, 3/8", single speed in the original 7116 Drill kit case. The only accessory is the key chuck. The drill shows limited use; the grease has melted over time into the case, so it needs disassembled, cleaned, new gear grease, armature commutator trued and cleaned. One of these days I'll stumble across some round-tuits. Thanks for indulging me yet again. Still owe you the vintage 5/8" M-W D-handle and the embarrassing tale of ~$200 woe going back 50 years.

@HARO50 Happy Birthday buddy! Hope it is a great one John!!!

The florescent glue says do not use below 55 and store at room temp. So if your room is 30 degrees it must be OK. Herb

Actually, I don't know why I said that. If I wanted to remember it, it would be C-A-L-V-I-N...

Fantastic Steve...with the finish applied these are even more amazing to look at. Well it doesn't appear to be E-I-E-I-O Is it your Debit Card Pin Number by chance?

MAN!!! yur good...

You're like a Rottweiler Steven...you just keep attacking no matter what the obstacle(s) with a clear vision on what it should be. Seriously though, pace & take care of yourself until you get to meet with the Doc(s). It's OK to take a day or two off to rest a bit.

When we moved to California in 1941 our shack in Texas didn't have anything. No electricity, running water or a sewer and the first little three room house in California had all three.. My mother thought she had died and gone to heaven. We had just gotten settled out there and the war started. Black curtains and air raid sirens going off often for we were 18 miles from the ocean and close to Lockeed and a few other plants and dad got a job welding ships together for they turned him down for the army.. Our school was a collection place for scrap metal so no sports for all the flat ground was piled with car bodies and metal...Don't you know how many old cars would be running around if there had been no war...and not long after the war started, rubber tubes were replaced with synthetic rubber and that was bad for the kids who had sling shots...and the day the war ended the chevy house had a set of gas pumps and the price of gas was 20 cents a gallon and the first guy that morning came up on a motor cycle and said fill er up...and did not need a ration stamp, just the money..Only one gas station in Yorba Linda in 1945.

I believe the Vettes were made of fiberglass Gene. Couldn't flex like plastic does.

Gene I do remember something of that nature but so long ago, no details..except it was a projected screen and was not too clear...and did seem like a GE Brand. Lew, yes it was Bakelite and boy did it ever stink when being burned....Rotor caps and some rotors were bakelite on cars back then..I drove an MG for a few years and I kept a few extra rotors in the glove box..I could be going down the road and it was like someone turned off the ignition. I could coast to a stop have the hood up and the rotor replaced in a couple of minutes...It did take me a while the first time it happened..I could call my wife to come pull me in and don't forget an old tire and a few feet of nylon rope. This is what I tied between the pickup bumper and the MG bumper.. The old tire server as a shock absorber since one side was tied to the pickup and the other side was tied to the MG....Better than a toe truck!!! Too bad the bumpers have been removed from most vehicles now a days... We had moved back to Texas in 1951 and no town around us had tv , then in 1953 Lubbock got a tv station.

I couldn't keep up with you even when you are not feeling up to par!

Once more, that's one really neat idea, Herb. And, so are those tags.

My Dad never had a drill. When I was about 10 he gave me a Dormeyer all metal drill for Christmas. If he needed a drill he used mine. I got rid of it several years ago. I have a 1/2 inch Craftsman looks just like the black one in your post but with side handle. When I bought my first PC I could really see the difference from Craftsman.....much smoother and quieter. I have rebuilt a battery for that PC twice and wish I could get a lithium for it. Oh well I do have the 12V Milwaukee which is handy for shop use and small enough to not wear me out.

Another masterpiece in the making. Sure hope you and the brain doc can get that shaking stuff under control. Best of luck, Steve.

Somehow I missed this in yesterday's "Wisdom" Click on the image for more information!

Happy B-day, buddy! I brought the balloons and the cake. I think the other guys are bringing the ice cream. Have a great day.

When you get to be my age, there's not too much new under the sun. Today however, I have a new experience. Last week, Picked up a couple hundred board feet of cherry and maple from my wife's uncle and he tree an extra board into the mix. Around here we call it coffeebean but the official name of the tree is Kentucky coffeetree. It is a species of poplar and very fragrant. I ran the board through he planer and pretty soon the shop smelled like a spice drawer. I always thought cherry had a powerful fragrance but this stuff is over the top. I'm making a couple of jewelry boxes for summer shows and I thought I'd use coffeebean with a horizontal center strip of walnut. The wood is pretty open grained so we'll have to see how it all pans out.

Birthday Wishes to You Today John, 'eh? BTW, you're not old, in fact my calculations have you as a 20 yr old in Celsius. Hope today is a great day and only the beginning of many more yet to be.

SWEET!!!

Thanks Lew. Nice post again this week. I have never had mush lick with burrs on a scraper. They didn't seem to last long. Those new Easy Wood Tools are so sharp they make the best finish scrapers I have ever used. I made snowmen as ornaments one year. Those you showed are quite attractive. I really like the ball caps.

Great post . Love those snowmen -women. Been busy lately getting ready to set up booth this morning. Came off good just waiting for the other four guys to get something set up in it.These are some flowers I made and bleached then colored with Chroma Craft dyes.

I'll take you up on the offer Ron...no hurry though. It will be a while before much gets done in my neck of the woods. Hopefully I could find something useful to make from a piece besides sawdust, shavings and chips.

Not positive Dan, but likely early to mid 70's especially since it's in a blo-mold case. Late 60's to very early 70's typically were still in the metal case. This one is earlier than late 70's because the aluminum is polished. Later versions used a silver-gray paint over the metal versus polished. I do know my 1/2" 7210 was from either late 1968 or very early 1969; pretty sure it came in a metal case. I haven't found a good reference site. Some of mine are Type 1's, some are Type 2's. Most often if the tag giving the Model/Type/Spec #'s is still on the tool the ink has disappeared. The tags were only glued on and any oil/grease/water residue softened the glue allowing the tag to move or fall off. Very good tools but poor ID integrity.

A few weeks back, I posted a thread about a pick that included a Black & Decker corded drill kit. I also have alluded to the fact I may have a problem when it comes to the number of corded drills in my possession. Since the temperature is dropping and we alternate between white-out snow then momentary sunshine and now darkness, I thought I would present this thread for your entertainment, amusement, amazement and harassment. Enjoy the show. WARNING: Proceeding beyond this point is at your own risk. The content of this thread is not advised for those with rational thought processes or hoarding phobias. Some restrictions apply. Void where prohibited. Must be 18 to enter. So it began one December 7th many years ago for my 17th (maybe 18th??) birthday I think. I received my first power-tool. A Skil, 3/8" VS Model 569 drill. Who knew this would eventually lead to an addiction. I did replace the swithc once several years ago. Shortly there-after, my dad also gave me a 1/4" Mall Model 143 drill that had belonged to my grand-father. It has to be from the late 1940's to early 1950's. The original cord finally disintegrated. I replaced it 35+ years ago with the current cord which now needs replaced. I need to search out cord strain reliefs although the spark plug boots i used to use worked pretty well. These were my primary drills for years both at home and occasionally in my work life. The Mall has a piece missing in the replaceable handle portion which is the way I inherited it. That nugget of information is relevant later on in this drill dynasty. Next up is my Black & Decker 1/2" VS, Model 7210. It's story begins in the first JD Dealership I worked. That was in 1973. The drill was already in service and likely had been purchased in the late 1960's from Grainger's. The dealer eventually closed so we parted ways for a year or so. A new dealer reopened the dealership and I was recruited as the Service Manager Low and behold the drill and I was reunited as most of the tooling from the old dealership had been purchased. Some time later, one of the "rookie" mechanics pushed this drill beyond its limits. The armature windings separated from the commutator bar. A replacement was needed immediately and as luck had it, the Mac Tool Rep had just began carrying a new line called Makita. We purchased a 1/2", VSR double insulated drill upon his recommendation. We sent the B&D in for repair evaluation estimate. The cost to replace the armature, brushes and refurb the drill came back more than the new Makita so this drill got tossed back in the cabinet. Several years later during a clean-up session the drill was set out to be trashed. I asked if I could have it and was granted the request. It laid in a box at home for a number of years. I finally made a trip to the old B&D Service Center in Indy, bought an armature, couple set of brushes for around $35 at the time. Finally had to replace the cord a few years back. While doing some remodeling work at my daughters, either my ex SIL or oldest grandson apparently dropped the drill on the "nib" on the upper back handle breaking it in the mounting screw/rear bearing housing. Calling B&D/DeWalt Service Centers all over the country yielded no parts available. I eventually was able to locate a "parts donor" drill but not before lots of searching which leads to a long tale yet to come. I have the original manual and dead-man handle for the drill also. It was and still is a great drill...low RPM and lots of torque. In the midst of the above I acquired this old Sioux, 1/4" in-line drill. It was given to me by a former mechanic. Probably from the 50's. The switch was bad as was the original cord (dry rot). It is the same frame and motor unit as the old Sioux hard-seat grinder. Instead of the angle seat driver head, Sioux offered an alternative drive head. I came upon a used hard seat grinder the Mac Tool Rep had traded for. The gears were bad, but the was switch good...gave a couple bucks for it. Replaced the switch. This drill still gets a lot of use running a carbon cleaning brush and other wire wheel attachments. Probably will need a new cord in the not to distant future. Somewhere in the 90's, I had a need for a D-handle 1/2" drill; something that would do heavier duty work than the 1/2" B&D. My wife bought me this Craftsman for Christmas one year. VSR model. Actually my first reversible corded drill. I primarily have used it to run a paddle to mix drywall compound and thin set mortar. Maybe have drilled a couple dozen 5/8" dia. holes in steel with a twist bit. The (3) on the right followed. The left one is a 1/4" Dunlap made for Sears; circa late 40's early 50's; bought at a flea market for a couple of bucks; it works fine, just needs disassembled, cleaned, new gear grease and the aluminum body polished; The middle is another Mall 143; another flea market find for $3; I originally bought it to use for parts my old 143 however it works great, so again just disassemble, clean, re-lube and polish. The one on the right is an old Montgomery Ward given to me by my late FIL. He got it in a box of crap treasures at an auction. Obviously needs a cord and the normal clean & re-lube. I've had it for years; just need to find round-to-its for all three. Close up view of the Dunlap tag. Also a Did just a little preliminary buffing to see how it would polish up. The Mall 143 tag. The "three amigos", oppoosite side on the far right. You can see they remain in their natural wild state...now where are those round-tu-its? Now back to the quest finding a replacement handle section for the B&D 1/2" VS. So I watched flea markets, yards sales, and even a few auctions to no avail finding a parts donor to repair this drill. Even eBay was coming up empty. Finally a hit on eBay...I won an auction for a 1/2" (one owner). If I recall about $14 with the shipping. However, when I got the drill, it was so pristine, I couldn't bring myself to cannibalize it. It had the dead-man handle but the cord had been replaced. It's the one on the left; I'm pretty sure it's a U-126 like the one on the right. Only single speed, but a very nice drill. The one on the right came later in the parts quest. Found it at a flea market for $8 with some weird coupling attachment in place of the chuck, but pristine other-wise. I bought a Jacobs chuck from H-F. $10 less 20% coupon so $8 for a new chuck bringing the total to $16. The parts quest continued...the one on the far right I believe to be a model 7120 although might be an 1161; both are 3/8" VS models. Anyways won that bid on eBay as a parts only drill...if I recall, it was ~$9 with shipping; might have been less...when I received it, as stated it did not work. Began disassembling to swap the handles and noticed a loose wire in the switch and wires not in the right locations; straighten all that out, and it works fine...so the quest rolls on. The one on the left is a Model U-100, 1/4", single speed; a little different rear handle design without the nub, but interchangeable. Picked that one up for a couple bucks...did the normal disassembly/clean-up; works great...the quest continues... While I continued to watch eBay, after two purchases all of a sudden these style drills began popping up like mushrooms. Seems every flea market I had tried before now were crawling with them... These 2 were next; a 7110 I think, 3/8" single speed in the original metal B&D box for $5. Another U-100 for $3 but needed a cord. H-F has 10' neon orange and sometimes green extension cords on sale for ~$4 from time-to-time. I keep a supply of them as replacement cords; far cheaper than actual replacement cords. Both of these work great and needed minimal clean-up. Next in the quest to find a handle were the two on the right. Finally, success. I gave $3 for the pair. Robbed the handle off the top one. The bottom one while it will run, the front bearing is shot. However I could take these two and make one good usable drill should I need an extra. Unfortunately, by this time the disease had over taken me so.................................... At one of my favorite flea infestations, I stumbled on this Skil 599. Now knowing how hard finding replacement parts for the B&D had been, I justified this purchase figuring the cord and switch would interchange with my first drill if needed. Since it was only $5. As dumb luck would have it, this is a hammer, scraper, drill VSR, 3/8". It all works so.... The drill on the right beckoned me and since I didn't own a plain ole, 3/8" VSR and it was only $5, I succumbed. Knowing how hard parts might be to get for it, the left one appeared at a yard sale. It was in a bucket, chuck down with about an 2" of water...well the cord & switch is probably good and for $2...dang the luck, it cleaned up pretty nice except for a little erosion on the nose housing, works like a champ so... This one in the original case although missing some of the accessories..still needs refurbed when I find some of those round tuits so... This orphan needed a good home and for $8 in the original case with accessories and then.... This trio actually preceded the two sets above. The one on the far right is a U-203; kinda' rare; 1/4" 2 speed. I use it a lot with various brushes to do cleaning and polishing. A slightly different version of the U-100 in the middle, then I'm not sure of the model on the left, but a 3/8" VS. Of course when the first B&D 1/2" went down, I needed an immediate, budget friendly replacement so H-F to the rescue with this 1/2" VSR model....with a coupon it was $24 and some change with tax. It works great and have used it to mix thin set and drywall compound also. So.... It all started when this drill handle failed....so....... There is one more to this stable but current weather conditions prevent me from moving stuff out to get to the cabinet. It's an old Montgomery Ward (I think), D handle with a 1/2" pipe dead man, 5/8" chuck that belonged to my grand-dad I inherited when my dad passed. That drill cost me $200 about 50 years ago. I'll update this saga with it's unique story in the future. These of course are just my corded drills and does not include any of the cordless, screw-guns or drill presses. Once I get over my shame for this post and ya'll recover from the shock and trauma of reading this post, maybe I'll entertain you in another show. Just so you know, I have put back many other drills to allow others around the world to the joy of owning a corded drill if only for a moment. Assuming you remained conscious to this point, thanks for following along. BTW, if you were counting you should have come up with 26 drills total. I may have a problem???

I have heard rumors of Exclibur being discontinued. Seyco is no longer selling them ! (The #1 guy for Excalibur). Sent emails to the manufacturer in Canada (General International) but received no answer from them. Soooooo, I reached out to Steve Good to see if he has heard anything. Below is his answer to me (reprinted with permission). "General International and the Taiwanese manufacturer of the Excalibur had a disagreement. I hear that it was not very friendly but I don't know all the gory details. Just the rumors.(not worth repeating) There was also a rumor going around that they had made up and General was considering starting shipping the saw again. I cannot verify that and I tried. The loss of the Excalibur was bad for the community but the gap has been somewhat filled by the Seyco ST-21 which is made by the same Taiwanese manufacturer and is very similar to the old Excalibur with improvements. It also open the door for King Canada to market their King Scroll Saws in the US. They are basically identical to the Excalibur with different branding. Unfortunately King can only sell the 16" and 30" machine in the US at this time. I spoke with their marketing guy and he tells me that is because of a contractual agreement and they hope to start selling the 21" King saw in the US soon. No word on what soon means. They currently sell the machines in Woodcraft stores nation wide." So, my friends, what are we going to replace our Excalibur when the time comes? Where are we going to get replacement parts? With the St-21 and KingSaw selling for $899, and being new to the scroll saw world, any decision is to be made. Any thoughts guys??????

Hi Joey, For 15k or less you might contact Len (at) Probotix.com. The last I talked with him (He is the owner of that company) they had been working on making a 5x9 machine for a client, and although their prices may be higher now the last quote I heard for one of these large machines was right around 10k. 4D

not me... that's Schnoode's job... I left my share for the birthday boy...

I think you had several things possibly working against you Rusty. Could have been any one of them or all of them. Don't give up on it.