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Good Monday Morning Patriot Woodworkers! January 15th, 2018
John Moody and 8 others reacted to Shane Whitlock for a topic
Dang, that's a good looking saw Gerald if I remember correctly, the saw weighed just over 1200 lbs.9 points -
Good Monday Morning Patriot Woodworkers! January 15th, 2018
Dane Franco and 7 others reacted to John Morris for a topic
Good Monday Morning! Good Monday morning Patriot Woodworkers! What did you get done over the weekend, and what have you planned for the week ahead! Inquiring minds want to know. Please tell us what's happening in your shops, your life, and any events going on with you. Thank you for being here folks! Our weekend I am building a shade structure behind our home, and our son is building a fence. How do you teach your son to use a hand saw? Show him the fundamentals, then give him a stack of old fence boards to saw in half so they'll fit in the Green waste can. He begged for my Skil Saw once, only once. Proud of him. He's been using a handsaw off and on for a few years, he said with this stack of wood he finally got it, just leave the kid alone is the best thing often times. New members Please welcome the following members to our community. @kentb, @Artie, @S johnson To our new members, thank you for joining us! To our existing members, please click on their names above and shoot them a welcome message. What's It Our January "What's It" is up and running, and we are off to a great start with commentary and suggestions . We'd also like to congratulate @p_toad for his MWTCA Membership win last month. These What's It's aren't easy folks, if they were, the fine folks at MWTCA would have had them nailed down by now, we are hoping that someone has seen one before and can recognize them, and provide a verifiable reference for them as well so we can solve the mysteries. Good luck! Featured image of the week Attribution: Patriot Woodworker @Shane Whitlock specializes in restoring old machinery and tools, see more of his creations at http://www.shanewhitlock.com/index.htm Source: http://shanewhitlock.com/photo/v/misc/oliverts/after/IMG_1649a.jpg.html8 points -
I made a few of these a while back and have to make some more. . The design is not mine, it was from Matt Seiler from the old Wood Magazine Forum and it was featured in an issue of Wood Magazine. Matt is a great craftsman and comes up with a lot of good Ideas. I would love to see him participate here. Any of you former Wood guys hear from him?8 points
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That is one beautiful piece of old American iron. Great job, Shane. Hey Dave, is that Oliver the same co. as the tractor co.? Since there are extra days in my schedule, after a little of Stick's advice for doing whatever, I think I'll cut me some mesquite. Might even run it through the planer. At some point, all the bark has to come off, too. That stuff is tight! Ahh well, the B12 is kickin' in. I'll get that done today, too.7 points
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With a big thanks to John Morris
Cal and 5 others reacted to Fred W. Hargis Jr for a topic
I can at least get on the internet for some small stuff. In an earlier post John had mentioned something to me called "tethering"....basically connection a device through a smart phone on it's wireless network. MY IP provider at the tie was even worse than normal, and I was worried about getting bills paid, subscriptions filled, and some other important stuff. So that's when I broke down and got an Iphone. Eventually the IP provider (only one I can get besides satellite...which I avoid) fixed the earlier problems..until last Friday. This service is a wireless micro wave tthing that comes off a 1000' foot tower a few miles away. Last Friday something on top of the tower "broke" and I've been without IP service since then. A little while ago I hooked the Iphone up to the computer and here I am. There's no telling when the IP service will be restored, climbing that tower in this weather isn't possible. But I have IP access, even if i am limited a little. But for folks in the same situation this m(tethering) is a good workaround. Thanks to John for pointing it out to non-techie me it exists.6 points -
Good Monday Morning Patriot Woodworkers! January 15th, 2018
p_toad and 5 others reacted to Grandpadave52 for a topic
Shane's Oliver saw restore is spectacular! Weekend Update: Picked up the truck from it's transmission transplant Friday. Everything seems good and no pink fluid showing in the snow. Made a quick pick while I was out; Swim conference finals were Saturday; Team finished 5th OA; girls again swam their best times for the events they participated in; one podium finish 7th; good day! Coming Week; away swim meets Tu/Th and all day invitational on Sa; usual daily transport duties assuming school is in session?? Hang out here when I can for my sanity. Schools ended up cancelled today due to weather so kids are all home again today; snowing & too cold to put them outside; apparently there are laws about that...they've attended 4 days of school so far in 2018 and one of those was a 2 hour delay.6 points -
Good Monday Morning Patriot Woodworkers! January 15th, 2018
p_toad and 4 others reacted to John Morris for a topic
I sure love that Oliver style, Oliver is still alive believe it or not, and it still possesses some of the Oliver ol timely design features, though I believe they are manufactured offshore now? Nothing compared to Shane's ol Oliver. Here's the link if anyone is interested. http://www.olivermachinery.net/5 points -
Shop Humor
Artie and 4 others reacted to Dane Franco for a topic
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Rifle Case Done
Dadio and 4 others reacted to Ron Dudelston for a topic
Absolutely beautiful Gene. Be very proud of it!5 points -
Friday's Pick
John Moody and 3 others reacted to Grandpadave52 for a topic
I had some time to kill late Friday afternoon waiting for my wife to get off work so we could pick-up the truck from the transmission transplant. I hadn't been to the local flea market since well before Christmas...Pretty much the same 'ole, same 'ole. On the way out one booth has a variety of tools but most are of little value. I did however stumble upon this laying under some junk. @John Moody you wanted proof and more details of the find. So you know, I trudged out to the garage today, 18o, wind blowing, barefoot, waist high snow, uphill both ways to find my magnifying glass. Here's the results. How did I do? This is a "four fold" right? Any ideas on the approximate age? I hope to clean it up a bit but not ruin the patina. I stumbled upon an article Chris Schwartz wrote about how he cleaned one using diluted oxilac acid wash I'm not sure yet how to reattach the brass strips but was thinking maybe CA glue? Thoughts. Stanley-Sweetheart No. 62 Boxwood & brass folding rule; Besides the U.S.A. it is stamped Boxwood. Only one of the three alignment/latch pins remain; brass edge strips have pulled or been pulled from brass pins; some debris under the strips Thanks for looking.4 points -
Good Monday Morning Patriot Woodworkers! January 15th, 2018
Cal and 3 others reacted to John Morris for a topic
Christmas is over Chips! I know I know, just harassing ya.4 points -
PIP River Table
Dane Franco and 3 others reacted to Gene Howe for a topic
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PIP River Table
p_toad and 3 others reacted to Smallpatch for a topic
Around here mesquite is king. Its everywhere. Problem is, the wood mills charge way too much for air dried wood to work with so the wood burning industry comes in and pays up to 4 dollars a cord to cut it down and haul it off. Another problem, if a person buys a cord of wood in July or August it will turn in to borer dust by the time winter gets here.The borers are so big you can hear them eating away just standing close to a stack of mesquite... Also the wood burning guys leaves the stumps in the ground and all the limbs too small to turn in to fire wood laying on the ground. Its a big mess and attracts lots of those large borer monsters... From the caution light where I turn off of Tx 180 to my house is about 2 miles or I mile to the edge of the lake and all of this I mile or so was cut down last summer. Now its a big ugly mess for all the stumps have sprouted new limbs fixin to make more fire wood for a few years down the road.. No one worry's about it except the wood working guys and there ain't but a very few in this whole area....but if me or maybe more so I say, we, are the only ones that catches the migration of the borers for if any flat wood is laying around outside or small logs waiting to get put on the lathe, its too late, for we end up with holey wood.... Another thing, there is way too much wasted wood in any given mesquite tree so most all wood mills don't mess with it. The first picture is walnut wood and the other is mesquite. They were sitting outside the shop last summer fixin to be use on the lathe...you can't put them in a plastic bags if the borers are already in the wood, they like plastic too. I'll still take this area over where rules and regulations eat up peoples minds....4 points -
Deal of the year (seriously).
Dadio and 3 others reacted to Ron Dudelston for a topic
First and foremost, I don't think I could misquote a job that badly. I run my business better than than. That being said, just a year ago I misquoted a pair of bookcases and yes, I honored the price. Must be an integrity bug I caught from my father.4 points -
A wonderful WW experience
Artie and 3 others reacted to Grandpadave52 for a topic
Spot on Lew! I chose a technical path and education (Automotive & Diesel Mechanics) when I graduated from HS. It nearly infuriated my Guidance Counselor, Principle and a couple of my "Academic Advisers". That was in 1970-71. While I could succeed in the academic classroom, it wasn't my love or passion. I loved getting my hands dirty. The skills and knowledge I gained during my "first career" got me in the door for my second career. By then I had a more mature understanding of the value of academic learning combined trade skills knowledge and just plain old hard work ethic. I was fortunate within the company I worked for to gain the mentor-ship of some senior managers and if I demonstrated a desire to learn both hands-on and in the classroom they would provide a path and assistance. During the many years "driving a desk" (forgive me @Wil, for stealing your term), I was still the happiest when I was working with my hands & mind. I've truly enjoyed being in the classroom and that special moment when you would see someone with that "a ha!" moment, but the satisfaction that comes with fixing, building, creating something from your own hands...man that's the best high out there... OK time to garner some beauty rest...not nearly enough hours in the day or night for that to work I've found taking two of these helps...4 points -
Any thoughts on taking the "What's on your workbench" in the general woodworking space and starting a fresh version each month? The current installment is 16 months of info and 12 pages long. A bit knarly for those of us who use phones instead of computers to read. Thx.3 points
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Good Monday Morning Patriot Woodworkers! January 15th, 2018
Cal and 2 others reacted to Chips N Dust for a topic
I was wanting to get a head start on next year...3 points -
Good Monday Morning Patriot Woodworkers! January 15th, 2018
Cal and 2 others reacted to Chips N Dust for a topic
I did not get the lights up like I wanted, but I did get the air line complete into the shop complete (I ran 1/2" black iron pipe). I also hung two cabinets (one was a sweet deal I got from Lowe's somebody had ordered but changed their mind, I got it for about $50, reg $175). I also finished up the ceiling on one side of the shop (I had one area opened for access when i finished the wiring). And, I got the lights laid out where I want them to go. The wife kept interrupting me with paint colors for the living room. I like earth tones, but she is afraid they will class with the mounts and the pine board ceiling. I did pick one color - Polar Bear. If she paints that, I can then say I have a polar bear on the wall3 points -
Friday's Pick
John Moody and 2 others reacted to Gerald for a topic
Nice find. I doubt that CA would hold it maybe epoxy3 points -
Dave, thanks for the Oliver history link. That was some interesting reading. Took a look at their 10" table saws on their sales site. Not as expensive as I thought. Not cheap, though. Around $2300 for the basic saw. Lots of extras that look interesting.3 points
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What's on your workbench.....diet. (Pending)
Cal and 2 others reacted to John Morris for a topic
Very interesting Will, hmmm, very interesting indeed. Give me a day ok? I'll ponder. Can you hear me ponder? Ponder ponder ponder, smoke coming off the top of my head right now, thanks for the suggestion Wil!3 points -
Thank goodness there are still rational people in this world3 points
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I had a small Buck knife I used to carry at work. It was useful in cutting plastic straps on trays and bundles of mail prior to processing. One night, the lady I was working with needed a knife to cut straps, so I loaned her mine. At the end of the night, she forgot to give it back, and I forgot to ask for it. My fault as much as hers. The next night, after realizing I hadn't gotten the knife back, we both looked for it, but to no avail. Obviously, someone else got a pocket knife. She was really feeling bad about it. I told her it was the last thing my father gave me before he died. Not true at all, I was just messing with her head. She said now she really felt bad. I said, jokingly, which she knew because we worked together frequently, that I was sure we could work something out. She quickly responded "I don't feel that bad!" Not really PC, but it was offered as a joke, and taken as a joke, no harm done.3 points
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Lumber score!
Grandpadave52 and 2 others reacted to Cal for a topic
Wow! You might consider upgrading this guy from "friend" to "good friend"!3 points -
I'm hearing you loud and clear Lew. Even today, with the success that the Whittier Vocational Technical High school has had, I still hear people , even relatives in my own family, make damning remarks about Vocational schools. It took a lot of work and convincing by many people to finally get the school under construction. Twelve cities and towns teamed together to build this jewel. Our teachers are all dedicated professionals and the administrators do everything they can to insure that the students get the best education they can, not only in the trades, but academically. Most people around these towns know the value of the vocational school. I don't follow the happenings regularly, but I know the school has budgeted millions to update and modernize tools and machinery so that the school is in the 21st century and up to date with industry.3 points
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This post has entered an area of great passion for me. I was one of those "C" students who came alive in vocational education. My grades went from below average to allowing me the opportunity to be a member of the National Honor Society- the first vocational student at the school to be awarded that membership. Six years after graduation, I became a Vocational Education teacher. In the early 70's vocational education was on the rise. The schools were filled to capacity and kids were on waiting lists. Seniors spent their year on Co-op. Training on the job and then being hired on. Most stayed and made a career with their employer. There was always a stigma about the Vo-Tech kids. Administrators, some teacher and a lot of kids looked down on these students as being inferior. Yes, many weren't as "book smart" as the academic kids but they had something more important- common sense, manipulative skills and a fierce desire to learn. Vocational enrollment continued high until academic administrators decided to use the vocational courses as dumping grounds for discipline problems. The environment changed and students shied away. Enrollment dropped. Soon after this, the government (state and federal) became involved with "labeling" students. If you couldn't read, couldn't spell, were shy, low income, and a myriad of other reasons- you were labeled and required special assistance. Academic administrator began funneling all labeled students to the vocational schools. Removing kids who scored poorly on standardized test, artificially biased standardized test scores in favor of the academic classes. Administrators love above average scores. Vocational education schools were becoming glorified, expensive special education classes. As if this wasn't enough, colleges started to campaign academic administrators and school officials to get more graduates into the post high school environment. They convinced everyone that kids couldn't succeed, in life, without a college education; totally ignoring their own statistics of failure/dropout rates and graduate job placement. Too many graduates left with mountains of student debt and no real skills to earn a living. You know what a 4 year liberal arts student says?? "You want fries with that cheeseburger?" All these factors continued to chip away at vocational education enrollment and per student costs rose dramatically. Many communities, still believing the college hype, closed their vocational schools. Academic graduates who couldn't afford college or weren't college material were left with no skills to make them employable. Employers had to eat the extra costs of training. Communities suffered. Finally, guys like Mike Rowe, a few intelligent academic administrators and business leaders spoke out and were heard. Vocational education is on the rise again. Vocational schools have increasingly more applicants which means they can be more selective- choosing the kids who really want to learn. My school went from a 1500 student enrollment (1970) down to less that 500. Fortunately the community demanded the school continue in operation and most recently enrollment is back up to over 1100 and a waiting list for most classes. As GrandpaDave said- putting my soapbox away...3 points
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That must be why they've lasted so long.3 points
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Well, I guess I'm lucky- I take out my hearing aids3 points
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the downside to mondays is that you spend about 1/7 of your life on a monday. unless you are special, then sometimes you can spend 3 days in one week on a monday. nothing going on here presently. spending money on a lawyer to enforce some covenants. fun. guess i could start work on my office design and office furniture design. that sounds like work.2 points
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I don't believe you said that... oh the shame...2 points
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Diamond plates
Cal and one other reacted to eazygeezer for a topic
I was planning for a coarse 250 grit, fine 600 grit and extra fine roughly 60quid each. I'm running out of sandpaper and the oil stone I have is already hollowed despite trying to use the full stone. I've shopped around on Amazon, ebay, axminster and other UK stockists and the cheapest I can find is ebay. I can't do a great deal about the cost, it was more about whether they were any good!! Sound advice as usual many thanks for your input!2 points -
Good Monday Morning Patriot Woodworkers! January 15th, 2018
Cal and one other reacted to Grandpadave52 for a topic
I'd never thought about that connection Gene, but a quick search seems there was no association. Very interesting to see what their market share once was in the vocational training departments. http://www.olivermachinery.com/History/2 points -
Tape dispenser
Cal and one other reacted to Harry Brink for a topic
Matt is on Facebook. Most of his posts are about the band group he's in but the last few days he's showing restoring a guitar and using his "vacuum bag".2 points -
I have turned to using DMT's for my chisels and plane irons. I've gotten tired of the mess that is created with my water stones. The DMT's do a much better job. Once I run through the Fine, Extra fine and Exta Extra fine plates, I hit them on a strop. Price a set of Norton water stones, then realize that; they are messy to use, wear out quickly, are constantly needing flattened, and then compare the price to a DMT that will probably last a lifetime of use in your workshop. I watched eBay and got them all three of them (8 x 3) plates at very reasonable price. I was patient and even found one of them as an overstock/box full of misc. stuff acquisition. the plate was still in the box and apparently had been never used. I got it for about 1/2 the going street price. I debated about picking up a course but decided, that, if I needed to reestablish a bevel angle or repair and edge I had my WorkSharp 3000. You won't go wrong with these plates. Update: I just checked and I paid $52 (F), $47.99 (E-F), and I bought the EE-F from Zoro for $70. $160 total or $53 a piece average. No tax and shipping included. Norton combo stones will run around $65 + tax from Woodcraft (just as a reference point).2 points
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Very cool find for sure Dave. What does the "Boxwood" signify? Just a name? Made out of wood normally destined for boxes? Surely not made from the shrub I know as boxwood...2 points
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Nice score! According to my Stanley "Bible" the #62 was made from 1854 to 1941and is valued at $15-$45. There were many variations made.2 points
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Rifle Case Done
Grandpadave52 and one other reacted to Dadio for a topic
Great job, Gene, Sure came out fine. My rifles wouldn't know what to do in a beautiful case like that. Herb2 points -
The plates just sit there Gene . You do the work.2 points
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Diamond plates
eazygeezer and one other reacted to Gene Howe for a topic
My DMT plates (300, 600, 1200) do a good job.2 points -
Oh yeah, forgot about that, Lew, your right can't get to sleep before it changs again. Herb2 points
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Those clocks are terrible for naps- their chimes wake you up!2 points
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The ultimate Young Liberal Party. I'm too old for that stuff,....Darn........... Herb2 points
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Friday's Pick
Grandpadave52 reacted to Dadio for a topic
I have never seen one of those before, Good Find, Worth all of $4.00. Herb1 point -
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PIP River Table
Cal reacted to Smallpatch for a topic
Cal that looks like that ole nasty mesquite wood.?1 point -
Grandfather clocks are a pain
HARO50 reacted to Ron Altier for a topic
I've never heard of one running for 15 years with maintenance. However there a couple of things that affect that. A pricy movement has many more jewels in it and will run longer. The atmosphere around the clock (dust, etc) also plays a big part. Lastly.........if you don't wind them they don't run..............a little problem my wife has.1 point -
I built two using a battery operated mechanism. Both been running for 15 or more years and the batteries last two to four years. Someone already mentioned the finicky mechanical ones are expensive.1 point